Bournemouth on their way back?

I almost said "back where they belong" but that would be the third tier.

I didn't realise that they had only spent 5 seasons at championship level.

http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/bour.htm

 

I said that on here when they got promotion, they haven't got the crowds to sustain a premiership team, especially with today's wages. A Russian millionaires not enough, they're the next Pompey in waiting. Eventually it catches up once the novelty wears off. I said the same about Blackpool when they were mid table in the Prem, l commented that they would be relegated that season. They were, a thread Dyson will remember.

There's a few teams in the Prem who aren't strong enough teams, Swansea, Burnley, Watford - Burnleys's doing absolutely fantastic but they can't sell out a small ground and they're having the best footballing years since the 60s. They'll probably be relegated next season once this flash in the pan season has finished.

 

Pointless us going for promotion then...?

 

Well, in a roundabout way, yes.
Potential financial ruin being one reason. Another being that if by a miracle, this current crop of players click and make the playoffs, and win, we'll all brand them a bunch of heroes, though not good enough for The Premiership.
So next season, yes we'd wear red and still play at Oakwell, but we'd all be supporting a whole new team as last season's heroes will be gone. Not deemed good enough. Then probably get relegated and have to rebuild again. So you don't want bottom 3, you're wary of top 6... I think I've just talked myself out of renewing my season ticket...

 

We would need to get the crowds built up, small crowds in the Prem is a recipe for disaster, the substantial financial package on offer just about keeps the small teams head above the water.

 

With this squad? Yes

 

Dunno I’m sure we could get out of Division two with this squad.

 

Once one has reached the promised land the importance of having large crowds decreases significantly.
I believe man utd with its healthy 75 000 crowd every other week gains the club around 13% of it's income (sky/bt - merchandise- marketing etc provides the rest).
Conversely little old Burnley flying high receive around 7% of its income from crowd revenue ( but they get 100 + million simply for being there)
It's not so much the crowd size that's important therfore it's how much more the bigger well established clubs are able to sell their wares worldwide.

 

Disagree completely. Premier league TV money is almost £100m and you get more for finishing higher. Sunderland with their big crowds got £99.9m last year for finishing last. Small club Burnley got £107.6m for finishing higher.

That means that Sunderland's ticket sales had to add up to £7.7m HIGHER than Burnley's.
22 home games with an average of 20,500 fans more than Burnley means that Sunderland had to sell tickets for an average of £17 to get their revenue as high as Burnley's. Taking oaps and kids into account they probably did get near that (an adult season ticket was just £18 a game) but that's my point. The higher attendances doesn't leave clubs massively in front of others.

When you get to the silly money thrown around in the premier league where TV money is around £100 and if you finish 15th you've got an extra £10m or so on top then the gate receipts become a drop in the ocean. 20,000 extra fans through the gates and you've just netted about as much as you would for finishing a couple of places higher up.

 

Crowd sizes are pretty irrelevant to premiership sides now.

All about the TV money.

Bournemouth could outspend Leeds if Leeds were getting 200,000 at Elland Road every week

 

Depends which club, for most it's still one of their biggest incomes.


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/01/premier-league-finances-club-by-club

 

I think they could sustain being a Premier league team in the long term if they're sensible with their finances. We know that money doesn't guarantee success, however if they wisely spent the money they've gained whilst in the Premier League, they could sustain the long term future of the club, and put themselves in a good position to go back up in the event they were relegated. £15 million on Jordon Ibe for example doesn't appear to be very sensible.

Sunderland are a prime example of how not to do that. Spent a fortune trying to stay up, and then cost cutting in a big way when they've come down. It's going to take them a while to recover in my opinion, particularly if they go down again. And that's a club with a fairly large gate.

 

It's only significant for a handful of clubs really.
80% of premier clubs are gaining 80-90% of their income through other means. Even newcastle with 50 000 a game don't earn a great deal through crowd revenue.
Leicester didn't do too badly with comparatively low match day income.
Burnley clearly are not requiring 75 000 crowds to compete either.
How many premier clubs stand in the worlds top 40 wealthiest clubs? All of them.
And that's because of tv money.
Even man united for the 2016 financial year earned just over 100 million for gate receipts out of a total income of over 500 million. The gate receipts are also inflated as a consequence of getting to the fa cup final and european games. Take this off and you are looking at around 15% of their income comes from league fixtures.

 

But its the small percent of clubs that go down, the TV revenue is cut (even with parachute payments) and they've not got a fanbase to fall back on. The gap in TV money between the top division is killing clubs, as it nearly did to our own.

Better than a politics thread this.

 

Absolutely.
And that's because premier clubs have paid ridiculous amounts of money to buy players and pay hyper inflated wages to an abundance of average players.
This consequently has had a knock on effect down the leagues where actual crowd income is of much more importance in terms of finance.
I do believe forest green paid one of its strikers 7 000 a week in their last conference season.
(Albeit bank-rolled by a wealthy owner)
It's madness and it is destroying 95% of pro-semi football outside of the premiership.

 

That could have been aTax Doidge by forest green .
Hohoho .

 

T be fair, if we ever went up then Oakwell would be sold out most weeks. We'd no doubt all of a sudden have 20000 ST holders.

 

Totally agree. You don’t need crowds with the TV money, advertising etc.

 

You don't, but I always think crowds give you some credibility, and clubs would sooner have the gate money otherwise they'd let everyone in for free.

Part of the reasoning of my original post is based on Bournemouths league one ground and attendances, and their lack of much history outside the bottom two divisions.

They might have paid their way to the prem, but to me they don't belong and shouldn't be there.

It's always interesting to have a look at the histories of the club's who's fans utter "teams like barnsley". We compare well with quite a lot of them. Only investment has improved their status.

Ours is yet to happen.

 

They’ve got no history in the big leagues but I like that smaller clubs like Bournemouth are getting their chance in the prem!
Gives me hope that it could happen to us - look at Burnley, Swansea, Huddersfield etc.
That being said, if they go down and have finance problems then it’s their own fault