Marks and Spencer

The inclusion of Sex Matters as the only external voice in the original article really should scare everyone here. They work closely with the Alliance Defending Freedom and Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. Both of whom are extremist Christian groups who fund anti trans, anti LGBT, and anti womens rights movements across the world.

I don't think its a coincidence that Sex Matters changed from a political group to a registered charity last year - meaning they no longer have to declare their donors. Whether its Sue from up the road or an Evangelical propaganda machine.

The devil is here and we just gave him an inch. Lets see what he's taken in 10 years time.

 

Not saying that at all. Just the constant to and froing. neither party will change their opinion. But go over and over and over. Defending each's own opinion. So carrying on and on and on. It's not constructive. When everyone else knows it becomes a you versus them. A form of bullying and intimidation can appear.

 

Tongue in cheek reply mate. Nothing untoward. Sorry if it appeared so.

 

"Just pretend to read the flyer. Just pretend to read the flyer. Just preten..."

 

There is definitely a joke in there, but I will refrain

 

• Lingerie Department Exception:
  The question of whether a lingerie department would be a valid GOR is not straightforward. Some legal resources say that it could be argued that in some cases, customer preference for a particular gender for intimate apparel fittings might be a valid GOR. However, other legal resources say this is not a universally accepted view and should be assessed on a case-by-case basis.

And I'm sure we could all agree, the law is sometimes an ass.

 

If being 6ft+ makes you a male, England need to stop playing Lauren Bell in the female team.

 

A right pair o' tits.

 

No, just generally confused,.
Doesn’t take much these days

 

I really am struggling for words.

Please, can someone reboot the world, maybe that will work.

 

Someone did around 2015 or so. Unfortunately the OS was corrupted and it will need a fresh install...

 

More than happy to chip in!

 

The reboot installed the particularly nasty "Farage worm" virus which is infecting anyone who's hard of thinking.

 

You lost me a bit with the ‘cisgender’ nonsense. There’s no such thing as a cisgender woman, just a woman. Anything else is a man.

I’d imagine most people (me included) couldn’t care less whether an individual wants to play act at being the opposite sex, however if someone on this thread has suggested it shouldn’t be allowed I must have missed it. Given transgenderism is a leftist obsession (having emerged from their ceaseless identity politics), and the BBS is a leftist echo chamber, it’s reasonable to assume the majority of BBSers will be fully bought into it.

Your trans as victims narrative would carry more weight if the trans lobby (including their useful idiots in the media) hadn’t spent the past decade attacking, bullying, and trying to destroy those, usually women, who don’t agree with their views or the way they want the world to be. We are now starting to see the backlash. Witness the vile hounding of the likes of JK Rowling, Maya Forstater, Suzanne Moore, Jenni Murray, Riley Gaines, Martina Navratilova, Graham Linehan, the list is endless. Yet none of those people have ever done anything remotely ‘anti-trans’, just sought to protect/defend women and children, fairness, and biological reality. This thread, and the haranguing of Helen, is a microcosm of that kind of treatment.

I’ve no idea why folk would be protesting at a fun/park run, unless of course the male trans runners are trying to compete against or take any merit/recognition/moments/awards away from actual women, which shouldn’t be allowed.

 

You do know we have someone who is transgender who bravely came out to the BBS? Ran through some of the many struggles they face on a daily basis. The looks, the comments, the bigotry, their own need to fit in but finding it especially hard as they transitioned.

Clearly it's difficult for you to understand these being born male with both male mind and body. I don't expect compassion from everyone for those who have to navigate what life has dealt them on top of the typical struggles that can be faced by everyone else, but why the nastiness to something you'll never have to deal with?

There is a significant number of Trans people who sadly take their own life. It's little wonder given some of the comments they must hear and read and how they are made to feel by certain sectors of our population.

 

I think you completely miss the point. Cisgender is an even more key identifier since the supreme court ruling. The equality act now defines both cis and trans people separately and provides protections to the rights of both.

ie. A trans woman is allowed to choose to be referred to as a woman under protections in the very same equality act the supreme court ruled upon. The ruling deemed single sex spaces for women only relates to cisgender women and excludes transgender women. Referring to transgender women as someone whose birth sex was male is acceptable. But. Calling them male/a man when they identify as female is not. You cant choose which bits of the equality act you want to respect or the whole supreme court ruling becomes meaningless. Being unable to view trans women as women is a you issue. The law remains on their side.

I cant speak for the others but both Rowling and Linehan have continually and aggressively misgendered trans people often completely unprovoked, as well as regularly trying to push a narrative that trans people are likely to be sex offenders.They also quickly jump all over any unevidenced news stories like this one to try and push to remove further rights from trans people and call for boycotts of any person or organisation viewed as trans friendly. They are active transphobes and filled with hate. How many times did Rowling call Imane Khelif a man? When at worst it was only ever implied she might have some sort of gender/hormone syndrome but she was literally born and raised female. They are now literally trying to define some women who were born women as not woman enough.

There is absolutely no reason to protest park runs and fun runs but they are doing it regularly and increasing numbers.. because much of the anti trans movement doesn't give two s**ts about protecting cis women but instead want trans people to simply not exist.. or to suffer silently while remaining in the closet until they inevitably take their own lives.

 

~2% of the population is intersex - with physical characteristics that are both male and female (like Caster Semenya), or who have incorrectly formed bodies (1 in 5000 women has vaginal agenesis with either no vagina or an incompletely formed one - one woman in Africa with this condition gave birth in a true virgin birth - after being stabbed several times shortly after performing oral sex), or have chromosomal abnormalities (Swyer, De La Chapelle or rarer syndromes - X0, XXY, XXXY, etc.).

If these people exist, then it follows that some men and women have non-physical differences that mean they don't conform to normal.

 

Yes I remember reading the thread, good for them and as previously stated I couldn't care less how they wish to live their life. No nastiness in what I said above either.