General Election

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  1. pompey_red

    pompey_red Well-Known Member

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    In your opinion. Take 5 minutes and have a read. Sorry it’s not in bold or a big font.

    I don't think Corbyn's the best leader ever. I appreciate that he's not the best at appealing to a lot of demographics. he's crap with soundbites; not good at speaking straight to camera. Better in real situations with real people. I appreciate that he's not got a great deal of, what would you call it, zing. I don't agree with him on everything by any means.


    Still, you know something I know? If Labour lose the election, Jeremy Corbyn will probably go back to being a local MP. He'll carry on holding speakers up for people at meetings, and helping people with their chairs, and thanking people for making the sandwiches. He'll carry on having talks and doing constituency surgeries and attending debates and asking questions and campaigning on various issues and staying behind to carry on talking about stuff with ordinary people after the event's finished. If he weren't the leader now, he'd be campaigning on behalf of the party. He'd be standing at the back helping.


    He's not going to swan off to a career of after-dinner speaking and corporate events and non-executive directorships and consultancies. He's not going to edit the Evening Standard. It's not his personal ambition that's brought him here.


    he wasn't ever that keen on being a leader. The only reason he stood when he did was that, to paraphrase another Labour front-bencher, every other remaining left-wing MP in the party had already stood as the token socialist candidate in a previous leadership election, and it was basically his turn.


    And here's the thing: his apparent lack of charisma notwithstanding (and what is this charisma that apparently Tim Farron and Theresa May possess? It's like nothing I've ever seen described using that term before), he's the exact opposite of what everyone seems to agree they're sick of in politicians. The meaningless soundbites and stock phrases and glib dog-whistle oversimplifications don't sit naturally with him. He's better at sitting down calmly and talking about things like a grown-up. He's visibly irritated when interviewers push him to answer stupid, meaningless or leading questions, and, to me, that irritation seems remarkably restrained considering that I'd probably be unable to put up with such ******** without flying into an expletive-laden rant. He reminds me of a Scandinavian politician, and that's nothing but a compliment. Politicians aren't supposed to be evangelists or salespeople; they're supposed to be people of substance, not just a mass of superficially appealing tics, right? Right?


    In short, he's a real human person, like you get in real life, not whatever kind of thing most politicians are where you just cannot imagine them existing in any normal situation alongside real people without getting punched in the face. I've seen people like him, working in various capacities, usually doing something socially responsible, sometimes voluntary. They help. They support. They sympathise. They don't usually get to the top of organisations because they're not naturally competitive. And here he is, in a position he probably never expected to be in, and his expression is, for me, the right one: he's grim; a touch uncertain; perhaps somewhat daunted. Quite right too. Anyone who's not daunted by the prospect of being Prime Minister shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the job. I want whoever leads the country to feel the responsibility as keenly as possible. The Prime Minister is the servant of millions of masters, not the master of millions of servants, as Boris Johnson seems to think he is. It's a horrible job, but if nobody else is going to do it, he'll have to. Because someone's got to. You can't just stand there and do nothing. You have to try to help; to do what you can. That's what he's like. And if the election's lost as the last two were, he'll go back to helping in whatever other ways are available. And if he loses his seat (which he won't), he'll go and try to help somewhere else.


    The fact that this man is considered unelectable when the alternatives are as they are is itself an indictment of our society.
     
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  2. Marlon

    Marlon Well-Known Member

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    Well put Pompey ,
    They’ll still want to quote the media’s Spiel on him though and pretend it’s their own opinions .
     
  3. Trickster Two Six

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    Very well put sir ! And you had me right up to the last paragraph; it’s not a reflection of society but his questionable links to anti british terror organisations, his refusal to tackle anti semitism to the point that Jewish Labour won’t support him, and his far left policies and spending plans that render him unelectable. But I know it’s pointless pointing these things out because I’m nowt but a nazi sun reader who cant work things out for myself. Anyway, up at 5 for work so will bid you goodnight and god-bless.
     
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    A lot of Jewish labour people support Corbyn it's the right-wing zionists that don't support him. But keep reading the Sun mi owd.
     
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    Course they do. Carry on living in denial mi owd
     
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    Look at the US. There are similar accusations over there, for Ilhan Omar and other members of Congress who look to be actual left wingers. They're also apparently anti-Semites. It's definitely got nothing to do with left wing governments having a tendency to sympathize with the people of Palestine and therefore criticise the actions of an Israeli government (which is a different thing to criticising Jews).

    And back on Corbyn, this is where half of the stuff about him being a terrorist sympathiser comes from. His MO involves talking to both sides and trying to structure a deal for a ceasefire with as few casualties as possible. So yes, he went to speak to Hamas in Palestine and the IRA (as did Maggie). If someone's pissed off at you, speaking to them about it usually helps.
     
  7. Austiniho

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    I’ll say it once more.... any credible Labour leader would pish it against the weakest Tory govt in my lifetime... to say there’s even a contest, then still defend the donkey baffles me.
     
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    Say it as many times as you like, it doesn’t make you right. Any ‘credible Labour leader’ would still get a load of vitriol and abuse and virtually the same treatment from the largely controlled Tory press and media. ‘Red Ed’ as he was labelled was ridiculed simply for the way he ate a sandwich. The language you use is akin to that. This despicable lot may well be the weakest Tory Govt in history, but history has never witnessed these ‘unique’ times and the situation that Brexit has caused. A situation caused simply by Tory party infighting and race for power. Also, add to that the rise of Nationalism, It is hardly comparable with anything else in certainly in my lifetime. I believe it would be more damming of the British electorate than the Labour Party if the Tory’s got back in and with a working majority that would gleefully take away rights against the ordinary person at work and in their everyday life.
     
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    His MO involves attending funerals of dead ira terrorists and getting arrested whilst protesting that theyve been sentenced for too long. Theres a difference between dialogue with, and openly showing support for. But you write it all off as right wing media lies if it makes you feel more comfortable.
     
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    See you’re working hard
     
  11. Austiniho

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    Head in the sand then....

    Blame the unique times. The stupid people, the press, etc...

    There is as much press in the opposite direction... just look on here, the daily mirror, social media, etc.
     
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    Not head in the sand at all. Saying it how it is.
     
  13. Austiniho

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    So you’re happy to lose then....
     
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    I hate to say I told you so.....
     
  15. Trickster Two Six

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    Apparently we’re all turkeys voting for Christmas, virtually the whole country has been conned, if only we were as enlightened as the corbynistas.
     
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    If you count Labour as effectively a Remain party more people voted for remain parties than Brexit ones , democracy this isn’t
     
  17. Austiniho

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    Labour isn’t remain though.... so your argument is very very flawed. This is democracy. Just because you don’t agree with it, doesn’t mean it’s undemocratic!!!.
     
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