Usyk v Dubois

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  1. Dja

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    Not as a pro. Beterbiev put him down in the amateurs with a body shot which is where this idea has come from that he’s weak to the body but it was in the middle of a tournament where they were fighting daily & he had to make weight before every fight & was probably down to that than any supposed weakness.
     
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    Lennox No1. Lennox not just a knockout specialist he was a very intelligent fighter. Bigger and strong than usyk. Fury is intelligent fighter but not a knockout speicalist. Aj is knockout artist but not an intelligent fighter with a weaker chin
     
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    I was a big Fury fan, but also a Usyk fan. I tipped Usyk to be heavyweight champion back when he was a cruiserweight (I've got to big myself up here as it's the only thing I've ever got right). I didn't know who I wanted to win until the night of the first fight. I was with half a dozen friends who all thought it would be a doddle for Fury. And in the queue in to The Garrison someone said they thought Usyk had a good chance and another bloke, very aggressively, suggested he he knew nothing about boxing. And I just thought, I think you're all wrong, I think Usyk will win this. And being more in camp Usyk, I saw both fights as Usyk being comprehensively ahead, even without the wobbly bits. I'm not saying he smashed it, Fury is a great boxer, but I thought Usyk was just that little bit ahead in most rounds.
     
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    That sounds fair enough to me.

    And as I say, I’ve the biggest Fury-tinted glasses.

    I don’t need to see a third fight. I would watch it though. Because it was - in my opinion - the two best of their era.
     
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    If a rugby union player attacks the opponent's head it's a foul and either a 10 minute yellow card or a red card dismissal.

    It's completely incomparable to boxing.
     
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    I feel the same. Fury and Joshua should fight each other. If Usyk wants another fight it should be against Joe Parker. He's the legitimate contender. I do think Usyk would win quite easily, but you never know, and Joe absolutely deserves that chance.
     
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    If you're referring to me I've made my opinions clear on horse racing for a while (if you care to dig). I don't like the Grand National and I don't like jumps racing. I've said as much. I bet on horse racing because I think I can win on it. It exists. I'd bet on boxing if I knew anything about it. It also exists. My argument is that boxing should be phased out. I think jumps racing should go as well. Neither will be of course
     
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    I'm not comparing it to boxing, I'm suggesting the argument that a sport is only legitimate if you can apply the same rules of the sport to a town centre street is utterly ridiculous. No sport would meet that criteria. Get hold of a tennis racket and whack balls up and down Peel Street and see how that works out for you.


    I have reservations about the sport of boxing. I'm constantly torn about it. But on balance, after seeing how many thousands of young working class males it saves from a life of drugs and crime, for whom it provides a purpose, discipline, and a genuine go at life, even when they're not successful in the sport but dedicate themselves to it, then I think it's a good thing.
     
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    his sister would have put a better show than him
     
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    Don't agree at all. The idea that 'thousands' of working class lads are lifted out of poverty/ crime etc. Is debatable. You either think its ok for blokes to whack each other in the head or you dont. If you think that's sport then that's your prerogative. Yes some boxers are skilful when they whack opponents in the head and they clearly have talent in the ring but that's what it is - talent in the ring. Its violence but because it's in the ring it's classed as ok. I'm suggesting its barbaric. That's all.
    I used the scenario of fighting in the street to suggest how ridiculous boxing is. No one would suggest there is a parallel for golfers to whack a ball up the high street because the terms of the sport are different. Golfers do not, as a rule, go out to smack people in the head. Boxers do. That's why boxing is barbaric, wrong, outdated and pathetic.
     
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    I’ve got to say Kamikaze it does seem strange behaviour to start posting about banning boxing at 10pm on a Saturday night when people are in good spirits about to watch the world heavyweight title be defended but each to their own. It does feel a bit like you were just looking for a row.

    I love the sport & I think it does plenty of good for many people who if we’re honest aren’t likely to be brain surgeons if boxing wasn’t there.

    Having said that I appreciate it’s a **** show at times with the issues around performance enhancing drugs & then you’ve got weight rehydration clauses like what left Eubank dehydrated & in hospital which are a disgrace.

    I think plenty of fighters go on too long too. I dread to think how much of a state Dereck Chisora will be in down the line. He should have retired years ago.

    Bit of a guilty pleasure for me.
     
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    Looking back people saying fury gave usyk his toughest fights. The chisora fight was usyks toughest against a brit imo
     
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    I didn’t think Chisora won a round after the 3rd.

    The AJ rematch & both Fury fights were tougher.

    Breidis was his toughest fight. That’s the only one when it’s possible to have him a loser
     
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    I thought he lost convincingly but applied the pressure well. I didn't have aj winning many rounds or fury against usyk. But for a journeyman who most would have thought should have been kod did okay. Styles make fights.
     
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    Boxing was always my 2nd favourite sport but fell out when they created more weights and titles than boxers to fill em...I kno I'm in a minority but I don't see it with Usyk, yes he can only beat what's in front of him but I think a prime Tyson, Lewis Holyfield.Holmes. Ali. Forman would all beat him. Current crop AJ weak chin. Fury Talks more than he fights and too inactive. Wilder fought nobody till he fought Fury and got a draw cos Fury hadn't fought for 18 months, the rematch saw his true ability. sadly then it's the best of the rest who don't light up the division..unless anyone knows better..
     
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    Not about being British Uysk is a great fighter and he seems a decent man his nationality means nothing
     
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    Not about being British Uysk is a great fighter and he seems a decent man his nationality means nothing
     
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    Supposedly 2 more fights for AJ then he entertains Jake Paul. Win win for Paul.
     
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    I normally back all British fighters over anyone but this one I couldn’t. I appreciate everything Usyk stands for and the way her carries himself both in and out of the ring.
     
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