Pope has died

Maybe just putting his point across 1 poster has labelled 1.4 billion people peados because there Catholic then disappeared. If one mentioned the Muslim grooming gangs that have been all over towns and city's in the u.k and labelled that religion the same they would be called racist and probably banned off this site. Double standards.

 

I’m just here bringing the evidence as this thread is full of emotive nonsense. We overestimate what we see in the news and media, and this thread is an absolute master class in the overestimating fallacy, and projection- we need a bad guy, a story someone to pin it on, why not the Catholic Church? It’s all over the news! They must all be paedos, etc, etc.

 

Has someone said every Catholic is a paedo?

 

Scroll back. A few people questioned him he went silent.

 

Pretty sure nobody has said that, but I think that's 3 times in this thread you've mentioned Muslims.
If folk who were labelled as racist were banned from this site, there'd be a few gone who aren't, not sure racism does actually get you a ban from here.
Muslims eh?

 

No, not defending anything. Just challenging the basis of your earlier assertion. I don't think that such assertions should be hurled about without a sound factual backing. Sexual abuse within the Catholic church exists, just as it does amongst the general population.

 

Asking people, for example, if immigration or religion is good or bad is nonsensical it’s pure status play. Truth is they have moral trade offs - we should view the world not as winners or losers but as groups engaged in moral trade offs. Move past the fantasy of moral heroes and villains. Empathise with others moral stories each side holds some of the truth - everyone weaves a dream, a story which holds both truth and false - fight the bigots.

 

To Once again quote one my favourite performers Mr Tim Minchin.

"But the fact remains, if you protect a single kiddie fcuker
Then pope or prince or plumber, you're a fcukimg motherfcuker"

 

I think you need reading lessons. I never once said every catholic is a paedo.

But the pope is the head of an evil organisation that produces a much higher % than other professions and defends them, makes excuses etc. and allows them to “confess” away their sins and to be forgiven.

I don’t believe it’s a coincidence that a place that allows evil people to be forgiven and clear their conscience without any form of punishment and where the person they “confess” to isn’t allowed to tell anybody else is a magnet for evil people.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czrrexn0094o

So progressive.

At least he apologised and changed though. Oh wait.

https://time.com/6987705/pope-francis-homophobic-slur-lgbtq-pride/


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/pope-francis-compares-abortion-hiring-hitman

So progressive.

It was 7 years ago though. Maybe he changed. Oh Wait

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/...n-his-views-and-calls-abortion-doctors-hitmen

 

So, there are 1.4 billion Catholics in the world. How many are you accusing of paedophilia?

 

It was a very obviously deliberately provocative comment to highlight the disgusting fact that people such as yourself care more about words used against the pope than the systemic abuse of children for decades at the hands of the catholic church.

As for a number, i’ll leave it at a higher percentage than that of non-catholics.

 

Remember when this happened in the 70s, and the two Popes died within a short time.
And the cretinous tabloids came up with the headline "The Pope dies again!!" .

 

So, a statement you are totally unable to substantiate.

 

I think it's wrong to suggest the rate is higher in Catholics in general, but I think it's fair to say the rate is higher in the Catholic clergy. A study in Australia found that 7% of Catholic priests had been accused of child sex abuse. Unless you think a large majority of the accuses are liars that's a lot higher than the general population.

Plus even if it wasn't true that offending rates are higher amongst Catholic clergy, you can't deny that the way the church has systematically suppressed the victims of abuse and excused abusers for decades (including under the latest pope) is absolutely disgusting. So at absolute best it would be riddled with nonce apologists.

 

Good point. The study you refer to was in fact the Royal Commission into Responses to Child Sexual Abuse conducted in Australia between 2013 and 2017, which suggested 7% of clergy in Australia were accused of abuse between 1950 and 2010. I think it's fair enough to make a point based upon this evidence. But it would be dangerous to assume that the figure of 7% was replicated worldwide.

I don't care for your final sentence, but I agree that the Catholic church has attempted to quell victims and to suppress complaints in such cases, including locally. It is regrettable that this is common - but plainly wrong - organisational behaviour in response to such complaints. There have been ample examples in recent times of the Church of England, the Police and NHS being involved in such behaviour (i.e. cover-up) and I suspect it also occurs in many other public and private sector organisations. My question is whether abuse is more common in the Catholic church than in other spheres or amongst the public-at-large. That is a fair question, but some of the earlier comments on this thread seem to be riddled with prejudice, lacking in evidence as they are.

 

Why?

Why has that question even occurred to you?

Why wouldn't you just condemn the abuse within the Catholic Church?

If it was found there had been systematic abuse for years at Barnsley FC I wouldn't be trying to justify it by attempting to compare it to abuse in other organisations. To do so would be utterly repellent of me.

 

So based on that Catholic country's like Ireland, Italy, south American countries would have a higher number of peados than England or the middle east. No chance.

 

I think you're missing the point. The tenor of earlier posts was to condemn the late Pope and to imply that abuse was more prevalent amongst Catholics. I'm saying that abuse is endemic in society in general, and should be abhorred wherever it occurs.

You also seem to have missed the point where I said: I agree that the Catholic church has attempted to quell victims and to suppress complaints in such cases, including locally. It is regrettable that this is common - but plainly wrong - organisational behaviour in response to such complaints.

 

Surely you can see why that comes across as deflection. Similarly I see you've liked a post that asserts without evidence that Catholic countries have no difference in child abuse rates than the UK, despite earlier emphasising the need for data.

I'll ask in plain terms - does the Catholic clergy have a child abuse problem?