Sorry if this upsets Arabian_ian but....

Fandabidozee!

 

Don't know if this needs another thread. But this one has crept up on me. Apparently it will illegal to get married or enter into a civil partnership in England and Wales. From the end of February. Until you reach 18 even with parental consent.

The Marriage and Civil Partnership (Minimum Age) Act 2022 received Royal Assent in April this year. It is planned to come into effect on Monday 27 February 2023. The Act will raise the age of marriage and civil partnership to 18 in England and Wales to protect children from the scourge of forced marriage.9 Aug 2022

 

That's to allow them to get O level maths first.

 

Still able to get married in Scotland at 16.

 

Are you lot mad lol.

 

Well I was at one time. I did it at 21.

 

Me 20 think those days are over. 30ish seems the norm if at all.

 

Well I got 13 years in then divorced and really enjoyed myself ever since.
My son got married but my daughter has never bothered. Both happy with their respective families.
Just luck if it is to be a good thing or not.

 

I can’t imagine a post containing “O level” will escape the StephenDawson smutometer for much longer.

 

Access to, for example, safe spaces can be blocked even with a GRC. The police and other bodies have access to the application information and can block anyone with a sexual protection from being granted a GRC. There is also nothing in equality law to require those running safe spaces to request further protections from those with a GRC.

The new GRCs are unlikely to have more than 550 applicants per year. From a country with a population of 5.5 million. It would likely be much less.

This is a good thread that takes apart the government response from a former Solicitor General and Justice Secretary:

 

Thanks for that.
I may need to do more investigations before offering my opinion in such circumstances.

 

This is a Bill 7 years in the making with 3 consultation sessions, no one from the UK Parliament brought up any legal problems with the Bill until it was passed overwhelmingly by the devolved parliament. My wife left home at 16 from Lincolnshire to move to Sheffield for what was then called a pre- nursing course , she worked on Wards for two years before starting her SRN , 16 is old enough to make your own decisions, yes there are immature 16 yr olds but there are immature 60yr olds

 

I worked in Performing Arts with students upward of 16
Based on that I would argue that 16 is way too early. For a start the hormones are raging both male and female and much 'experimentation' was going on. Girls wth boys, boys with boys, girls with girls and flip flopping going on. Now I know it is gender assignment we are talking about and the above refers more to sexual preferences and there are differences but I am just pointing out that at 16,17 and even 18 or 19 in some cases many are confused and undecided regarding sexual preferences and gender orientation. Sometimes we had visits from former students in their final year at uni and some you would have thought were definitely 'settled' when still at college had flipped and were now comfortable in themselves having 'u-turned. Of course all this labelling and desire to be addressed in a certain way did not exist then and IMO is a sideshow which distracts from the real issue.
That said whole thread I started regarding the legal and political implications of devolved Govts passing laws that impact the whole of the UK and whether that justifies central Govt blocking them has turned into a debate about transgender. Ho hum!

 

100% agree but where do we draw the line. For example the legal drinking age in the USA is 21. Here 18. Not based on maturity.

 

With respect, the example you provide for rational decision making at 16, i.e. career decisions is not really representative of the decisions we are discussing on this thread.

 

Of course, even if someone was to get a GRC at 16, there is nothing in law to stop them changing their mind and going back to their original gender if they change their mind when older. The issuance or absence of a GRC does not necessitate hormone therapy, surgery or anything else. All they have to do is live like the other gender for six months beforehand.

A 16 year old girl could decide she is trans and live like a man for 6 months then get a GRC. At 21, he could realise that he is in-fact a lesbian female and transition back to female.

That is a lot less life-affecting than marriage, having kids or anything else really.

 

Is it not the case that once hormone therapy is given and the body changes accordingly there is no reversal of the changes. This is possibly a major concern over mind changing.

 

You missed the point again , you can live independently at 16yrs and make a plethora of life decisions , why not this one .

 

In the rush for total personal autonomy I think we will one day look back at this time in disbelief.

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it’s sad when children going through the normal messiness of puberty are brainwashed into thinking their problems Will be solved by a scalpel.

 

With respect, I think it is you that has missed the point. Going through puberty has a major impact, not only physical changes but emotional and psychological ones too. Sexual and self awareness and decisions surrounding them are often all over the place. Life decisions like moving house, leaving home, changing jobs, personal relationships can usually be amended/reversed very quickly. Neither having children and determining gender orientation especially if it leads to body changing surgery should be undertaken lightly and unlike you I do not believe a 16 year old is mature enough or quite often emotionally settled enough ( see above re hormonal change impact) to make such life changing decision.
If you genuinely believe they can then fine but IMHO with a few exceptions at that age I don't agree that they can. Like I stated previously many bright intelligent students I encountered were far more mature and grounded at 18-21 than they were at 16-18.