The scale of the mess

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  1. lk3

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    Could be wrong but think players are more like assets/subcontractors than employees as we know them.
     
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  2. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I’m not saying we let it run down, we offered him the highest contract in our history to stay (by all accounts). What I mean is we didn’t rush to get him out of the door at all costs, either in the Summer or January, because he hit 12 or six months left on his contract.
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Our understanding…..

    is that rather than take the funds owed on previous loans to the club out of the accounts at the point of sale, those funds/reserves were left in there due to the potential relegation looming over us.

    As a result there was a further £6m owed on the sale IF Morais kept us up or if we came back up at the first attempt from League One. This £6m was negotiated down to £3.5m regardless of success/failure around March time under Stendel, when promotion was looking far from a foregone conclusion. This meant that the current owners wouldn’t have to pay the full £6m if we went up, and the Cryne family wouldn’t go with nothing if we stayed down.

    That’s where the outstanding balance of £2.75m comes from and the £750k payment that left the accounts. The reason the board agreed the payment could come from the club is because that was agreed as part of the deal. If we’d have stayed up under Morais I assume that £6m would have walked out of the door that Summer in one go or at least in one of two instalments.

    Don’t agree with it. Can’t explain the way the payment was made. Or what needs to be noted on the accounts as a debtor or future payment. But that’s the synopsis we’ve been given so far.

    I guess the reason it didn’t show in the accounts was because it wasn’t confirmed or guaranteed? And then future payments haven’t shown because the whole sum is going to court as one side argues that conditions weren’t met in the maintenance of the ground, so again isn’t guaranteed.

    It’s infuriating that the owners have let this issue avalanche like it has though. Court case or no court case.
     
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    To be able to sell a player he has to agree a contract with another employer. Many agents now, with players on an upward trend, will look to run down their contract and maximise their personal gain.

    Selling a player is not just down to the club.
     
  5. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Fully aware of that mate and know how football transfers work. But we didn’t accept offers from clubs and have Mowatt turn down moves. We never accepted any offers.
     
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    @Loko the Tyke good to hear you know how football transfers work. Time now to start on accounts, the understanding you have written above does not make any sense whatsoever based on the accounts filed for Oakwell Holdings or Barnsley Football Club.

    Whoever is feeding you and @Gally these lines needs to be able to answer the most basic questions. Currently the explanation is about as watertight as our defence.
     
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  7. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Never once have an claimed to understand accounts. Not once.

    I wouldn’t disagree with anything you’ve said. Haven’t I even suggested as much?

    Slight bit of mansplaining vibes going on with the football transfers though
     
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    If that was the case, yes - if they could find another £2.75M of assets to extract. But I'm simply asking: if it's not legal, what statutory provision does it contravene?
     
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    I'll add one more to the list: given Vita is playing when our other loans have gone back suggests he is our player or an option to such? Not a bad thing, wages will be low and he makes a more useful left sided option than Ordour
     
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    How the hell do you rush a player out of the door who is contracted?!!! He doesn’t go if he doesn’t want to!!!
     
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    I have two issues with the deal working that way (no issues with the explanation you’ve given as such, just the structure of the deal)
    1) the owners were incredibly naive to see the club having the same value of we had a year in league 1 than if we’d stayed up
    2) if the club did/do owe the money, then they shouldn’t have racked up the losses they did in the subsequent years.

    Appreciate the effort you guys have gone through to get an explanation though, if they’re lying to you there’s not a right lot you can do about that. It shouldn’t be so difficult to drag info out of the club, same happened with the west stand.
     
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    leythtyke Well-Known Member

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    Best indicator of the scale of the mess. Look at tonight’s starting 11. There’s a very good chance that we can’t afford it.
     
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  13. Loko the Tyke

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    You accept any offer that comes your way and don’t negotiate?

    Accepting £500k instead of demanding £1m, leading to more funds towards wages to suit the player?
     
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    But if the player doesn’t want to move what do you do?
     
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    100%. Most annoying tho is that we could afford it- if it were not for the money grabbing failures not involved.
     
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  16. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    We don’t know that though do we? Because we didn’t accept any offers.

    If we were desperate to move on then word would have got out the fee was less and more clubs would have come in for him on the same terms as he got this Summer.
     
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    Old Gimmer Well-Known Member

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    You are simply speculating as am I. I accept that your interpretation paints the club in a more favourable light. For what it’s worth I don’t believe it.
     
  18. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I think as always the truth is somewhere in between. Mowatt wasn’t refusing to move, because the offers didn’t come in. If we’d have accepted an offer there’s a chance he might have stayed anyway to have better opinions in the Summer.

    If we wanted him to move him on though we could have encouraged it by reducing the asking price. The fact we didn’t was a positive.
     
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    I’m pleased you can find something positive :)
     
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    I’m going back nearly 18 months though!
     
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