Dear Roy Keane

**** off
"He's not smart enough. What he needs to do is go into the keeper"

Stop advocating cheating you pathetic *******. People like you are killing football.

Ive said it for years. It should be in the broadcast rights contract that every time a pundit or commentator promotes or condones cheating there should be a huge fine for the broadcaster. I'd go one further and make it a mandatory clause in all on air 'personalities' contracts too so THEY have to pay a massive fine each time.

 

I thought he was laid back today hardly "snarly" lol.
Up to him what he says in my opinion. Can't see any harm done, and believe you me, i don't like him!
Football invites loads of talking points/opinions... long may it continue that way methinks

 

I haven't see the clip but what was the context I.e. 'go into the keeper'?

 

The problem is that when the pundits and supposed experts condone and encourage cheating then that is the message given out to fans who see it as the normal viewpoint and in turn also encourage it. It's what children see and hear and it creates a downward spiral that is killing football.

 

Forest player got into the box, keeper came out and there was the slightest slightest touch while the striker was already on his way down (after seemingly trying to stay on his feet). It went to var who ruled against the striker and Keane's response was that the player want being smart enough by trying to stay on his feet and should have deliberately moved to the keepers outstretched hands to cheat his way into a penalty.

 

I agree, he was advocating cheating. Fair play to him for trying to keep going, Nottingham Forest played well.

 

I like Keano

 

Player cheated but didn't fool the ref.
He dragged his foot into the keeper's hand in much the same way as Frannie Lee and Rodney Marsh used to. Should have been booked for diving.

 

Personally, for me, football went down the pan when Sky stepped in.
As for children's viewpoint; i wholeheartedly accept your angle, but surely parental input would point out the errors of the way, so to speak?
Having said that, wasn't there once quite an in depth look at the differences between such capers in relation to acceptance? It was accepted as part of the game in South America, whereas in certain parts of Europe it was judged as cheating?
For my part, i can't stand all this diving mullarkey btw

 

Not sure whether parental input can really be enough. If a kid is told by his mum or dad that diving in football and trying to win fouls is wrong but then he hears experts, professionals and heroes who are employed for their expertise on football then rightly or wrongly he's going to believe them every time.

Agree that football went downhill after sky but I think it's all related in a way. I was actually only thinking last week about sky TV games and how years ago if Barnsley were on sky it was a rarity and an honour and we'd all watch it waiting to see the little feature on the town before the match, see which pit stack they'd show to belittle us and it would be a whole event in itself. These days there's so much saturation of football on TV that it's all so routine and mundane and means sod all. Sky don't even bother erecting a studio at oakwell anymore and have in the past done the analysis from another ground to save costs. If there's a Barnsley away game on sky I'd turn it on a couple of minutes before kick off and turn it off at full time.
Football is eating itself and I don't actually blame sky itself even though theyre the most visible organisation. I blame the EFL, fa and indeed clubs for putting so many rights up for sale, over saturating the market and in turn over saturating people's lives with football and causing them to lose interest.

 

I think you missed the point of the OP. Keane is literally saying that the player should have cheated. I can't think of any other walk of life where someone who is paid to give an opinion would say that you should cheat. Certainly no other sport would allow it; horse racing, rugby, cricket - if a TV commentator/pundit had done it in any of these they would most likely be kicked out permanently.

 

Yeh I don't agree with that sort of thing. There was a similar thing said in our game against Bristol City by the co-commentator, Callum Cooper(?). He said something about 'winning a foul' and really praised Bassi (I think) for pretending not to see the 4th official and kicking the ball away (something like that, I'd have to watch it back but he was definitely applauding cheating behaviour). A real shame as I much prefer him to that other co-commentator they usually have on. I don't think iFollow/BFC should be fined as the broadcaster however. I think it's down to parents to teach their kids the right way. I think there is evidence against that hardline parenting style in football - a lot of the greats have said their parents let them get on with it, didn't apply too much pressure, and would subtly ask them why they had a bad game if they did. I think the way some parents act on the touchline is disgraceful and takes away from the team nature of the sport.

As for Keane, I don't agree with his comment but I love him (I hated him as a player funnily enough); I think he's a top guy and a top pundit. I also find his and Micah Richards' double act hilarious. I also like how he is hard on, ironically in this case, goalkeepers. They get more protection than ever, you can't brush them with a feather duster without them falling to the floor like a precious wounded flower, clutching the ball or their balls. They consistently cheat, they waste so much time, they have contempt for the opposition in doing so, and in my opinion when a penalty goes against them it is a bit of karma, sweet sweet justice against the embarrassment that is the modern day sh1thouse goalkeeper. Actually I'm totally for Keane's comments

 

"poor showing from Johnson-Thompson there, she had the perfect opportunity to stick out a leg and trip the American up but she's too stupid to do it"

It just wouldn't ever be said in anything except football

 

I like Keane in general just hate this kind of thing. The ifollow commentators were at it against the Dee Dars too praising quina for falling over easily. I do think they should get fines but obviously it would have to be in future contracts so I don't think any pundit with half a brain would say the things they say so I doubt ifollow guys would say it

 

Yeh I agree with you it's wrong. I just find nothing infuriates me more when watching the modern game than goalkeepers wasting as much time as is possible. I don't know when the 6 second rule was abolished but it needs bringing back. For me they are the biggest cheats in modern football - they're actually insulting to the paying fan - and the behaviour needs stamping out. Another thing is outfield players kicking the ball away, or holding onto it prior to a free kick/penalty. Again, not right, and as you say commentators shouldn't be applauding cheating behaviours at all. But I have very little sympathy for goalkeepers.

 

Ps please consider changing your avatar, it's confusing the hell out of me

 

Rugby has this one sorted, if you don't immediately retreat, you are penalised 10 yards.

 

Tried it in football didn't we? The problem is that football referees are so inconsistent and in many cases biased (whether it's consciously or subconsciously) that they applied the rule differently depending on the club and players involved.

 

Excellent idea! And if the ball is placed anywhere other than where it should be placed for the free kick, if it is 'tampered with' in any way by the opposition to waste time: immediate yellow card. If the FA can fully embrace VAR in the premier league (something so shambolic and detrimental to the game in my opinion) and take the sting, emotion and elation out of a large percentage of goals as a result, then we can certainly get tough on these little petty intricacies that are currently going unpunished in every single game up and down the land.

 

I can recall, Michael Owen talking about this subject and he said they were coached to go down at the slightest touch by the Football club. He said they were taught it wasn’t cheating because if they were touched it was a foul if the ref gave it.