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  1. Brush

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    Yes. And that’s what people don’t understand when they say abolish the Lord’s. It could do with reform but it’s still a vital part of protecting our democracy.
     
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    I believe the only thing the Lords can’t overturn is something that was in the governments election manifesto (ie. Brexit) but they are well within their rights to vote down everything else
     
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    Will calling someone a Karen be classed as a hate crime now then?
     
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    My sister got her caravan stolen by 5 masked men the other day,the police have done nothing,wonder if she rings back up and says it’s a hate crime now they might make an effort
     
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    It WAS but since the Parliament acts of 1911 and 1949 (which was enacted by Labour to stop the Lords blocking their progressive agenda), anything stopped or amended by the Lords, goes back to the commons and can be put into law without Lords approval.

    However, in this particular case, there is a good chance that much of Patel's bill CAN be blocked. She added 25 pages of amendments to the police bill after it went through the commons. This means that they had no commons debate and if rejected by the Lords they will be deleted. Hopefully this will be the case.
     
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    I’m beginning to sound like a broken record; but if we want a decent legal system we have to stop pandering to the dog whistles about tougher sentencing and vote for the party that will put more funding into the police forces, courts and prisons.

    Labour are seen as soft on crime, and the Tories the party of law and order, but crime goes down under Labour and up under Tories.

    We get the politicians we deserve, they know telling attractive lies plays better than inconvenient complex truths.
     
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    Just like the economy, over the last 30 years we got better growth when Labour were in power than we did when the Tories were in, yet business still see the Tories as better for the economy....
     
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    Could that not be because people resort to crime due to the poor being hit the hardest by pretty much all Tory policies rather than due to the sentences handed out?
     
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    It’s because:
    Support for those who need it
    Stronger economy
    Slightly better share of wealth

    but the stronger points:
    More police on the streets
    Shorter wait times for court
    More space in prisons.


    Sentence length is completely irrelevant; it’s obfuscation, it’s a convenient simple lie.

    Increased sentences have virtually no effect on crime rates, introducing new laws has virtually no effect on crime.

    Keeping people from crime, and effectively dealing with criminals affect crime rates, but they cost money, and ‘new laws’ and ‘tougher sentences’ cost nothing
     
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