Who wants these owners to spend their own money on BFC

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Do you want the owners to invest their own money in to BFC?

Poll closed Jan 23, 2022.

  1. Yes

    43 vote(s)
    48.9%

  2. No

    45 vote(s)
    51.1%
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  1. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    To whine would be to repeat it over and over again. To mention it once is just giving full disclosure and an opinion. Like I said, each to their own on this, but it’s not even worthy of being on the list right now.
     
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    That is true, but it only works if the new signing is of Helik quality, how many of the players been signed have done that though?
    For what it’s worth I don’t think our identification of players with potential is bad, in fact I would argue it is actually quite good, it just feels to me it’s what we do with them once we get them that needs improving.
     
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    It isn’t unreasonable to think that we could replace Madds/Helik with someone of Helik’s quality. Should be the bare minimum if the plan is to work and we’re bringing in the funds to support it,

    I’d also say that bringing in Kitching in January, when we didn’t really need another defender, was the ‘layering’ you mentioned. Just hasn’t come off because performances have been so shockingly poor.
     
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    Angus did ok when brought in at the side of Roberts, but was exposed when Roberts departed.

    **Crunch, chomp, chomp**
     
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    I don't think the length of injury absence helped Kitching make the transition.
     
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    lk311 Well-Known Member

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    Would agree with both those statements.
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    No not at all. But I think that’s why they signed up when they did. Firstly to beat off the competition as he was highly sought after. But then also to have him with the squad for over six months before being a regular this season.
     
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    It's disrespectful to English football, for the owners to think we can keep starting from scratch with new tactics/personnel and come straight back up if things go wrong. We've done it quickly the last twice, but there's far bigger clubs than us littering League One who haven't.
     
    pontyender, Jan 16, 2022
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    It's not about owing money in terms of loans etc. It's about running out of operating cash to pay wages etc. If the club runs out of cash it has to seek an injection of cash from somewhere. This lot won't put any of their own in, so they either manage to flog a player or three (preferred option) or seek external finance from loan(s), share issue etc.

    My guess? Administration.
     
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    I know your heart is in the right place but just think about this. I, and many others, bought season tickets, didn't ask for rebates, free tickets etc., knowing full well that we probably wouldn't get to attend matches; and that we were looking after the interests of the football club. They then repay that faith by allegedly syphoning off £750K of at least some of that money. They have also negligently let the club descend into its current sorry state on and off the pitch. The result? The worst team in terms of its level of competition that I've witnessed in my 55 years of support, and a very worrying financial situation looming. I'm sorry, but their actions are indefensible.
     
    Old Gimmer, Jan 16, 2022
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  11. Loko the Tyke

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    I’m one of those supporters you mention. I’m also sure that @55&counting would back me up when I say I asked the CEO directly, almost word for word, the sentiment you’ve just expressed in front of 50+ people. With follow up questions and then again in a one on one conversation after he’d finished his two hour stint, explaining what I was asking in further detail. It’s why we had the text message from Conway read out ‘on stage’ which was met with ‘that’s not good enough’ from myself, on behalf of you and the supporters you mention.

    By saying that Covid should be considered when discussing income and revenue, it doesn’t mean I’m giving them a free pass for how far we’ve fallen this season. I’m purely talking numbers. My posts don’t reflect any support for the owners and decisions made recently, but sometimes things are said that aren’t quite right.

    If we (the royal we) are serious about wanting them to move on from the club it’s important it doesn’t descend in to hearsay, in the know comments, or interpretations that might be incorrect. That’s all my point was.
     
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    Old Gimmer Well-Known Member

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    As I said, I know your heart is in the right place. I just feel totally disgusted with the way our football club is being run.
     
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    I totally agree with the part about not having anyone ready to step into the shoes of a player we sell. That is what the U23s should be, but doesn't seem to be so. The best example in world sport for me are the NZ All Blacks. It seems when they get an injury or retirement, a player who is just as good, and sometimes better, is there to step-up. They're likes sharks teeth.

    On another point, our plan is to buy low and sell high, which I am OK with. However, each of those parameters are supposed to be ever rising, i.e. we buy low, but better and more expensive "gambles", as we develop and sell the current crop at ever increasing prices. We seem to have failed in this effort.

    Finally, the spreadsheet needs to be tweaked, as we do not seem to be discovering the hidden gems like we previously did. That is also probably because many other teams are using the same approach.
     
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    There could be several reason nobodies leaving this window and I'm guessing the board turning down genuine money generating offers for players is the least likely scenario probably somewhere below an alien from the planet zog as pinched the fax machine so the club can't receive offers as the reason. As for the contract situation that summer, they were under contact at least until the following summer. They could have held onto one until the winter window to help bed replacements in and then sold him. At that point the club had money in the bank and was under no pressure to sell both yet still did.
     
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    We'd have got at least another 5 points, if the West Stand had not been closed and the vouchers had arrived earlier. /s ;)
     
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    You’re not alone. I was just explaining where I stand on the whole issue which is slightly different to what your reply made out.

    We’re definitely on the same team/hymn sheet though.
     
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    I’m sorry mate but on your first comment in the paragraph, which is it? One minute we’re having a fire sale and bound to cash in on all our better players. The next there’s some conspiracy as to why we’re not selling those same players linked to an alien and a fax machine. It can’t be both can it? Appreciate you’re guessing, and I would guess we’ll have more interest in some of our players this window. Not because they’ve performed well (obviously) but because the vultures will be circling and sniffing a bargain, and these players were in the Playoffs six months ago. If we don’t sell the club deserve some credit surely? And you can credit them in isolation of criticising them elsewhere.

    They could have held on to those players. And with Pinnock I would have been tempted to do so. But it’s difficult to say ‘they’ll sell the whole team if they get bids’ when we’ve not sold many people who don’t have 12 months left on their contract.
     
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    Can’t help think no1 on this list helped lead to the others.

    I’m beginning to wonder and this is pure speculation with nothing to support it, if DM went off script and this led to his contract not being renewed. This then leads to him and Melissa leaving and without a Captain permanently at the helm we lost our way a little.
     
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    If it was a case of a Visa expiring and Dane taking the opportunity to renew his Visa with a different club/job, I would question how aware we were that was happening and that decision was imminent. Were we not tying to extend his Visa and contract months before it expired?

    If we knew he wasn’t extending then why wasn’t a replacement lined up?
     
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    There’s no way we couldn’t have know though is there?
    Once it got to January, we should have had one lined up.
    The only scenario is if it was agreed to be signed in the Summer and one of the parties renegaded on the agreement.
     
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