What was the game plan tonight?

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    Atac Well-Known Member

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    Mr Red Rain? Anyone? Be interested to know what thoughts are on how Schopp thinks he's improving on what we did last season. I didn't like the style but I loved the results. I think we can get results and play more football but Schopp has changed too much. I do think VI was the 'value add' last season to the extent that he worked a minor miracle! I can't fathom some of Schopp's team selections. I can only assume that performance in training is markedly different from in games. What's going on?
     
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    Honestly, up until their goal I thought it was a carbon copy of a few home wins under Val last season. Forest playing out from the back allowed us to press, games where not much really happened, and second half we came out with some renewed energy and on the front foot. Forest had a purple patch for about five minutes or so in that first half where we really lost the plot, but we calmed it down and saw out the half.

    What we were lacking vs. Val was the physicality in the final third and any threat in the box. All our positive play outside of getting the penalty was mainly Williams, Styles and Oduor down the left but nothing threatening of any note.

    That last 30 minutes capitulation though. Jesus F’ing Christ. And to not see it coming or do anything about it. Bonkers
     
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    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

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    Plenty of positives.
     
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    I think he basis his tactics on the old game of Striker, press the head and kick the ball anywhere, all rush after it and leave large gaps at the back
     
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    At least we were fit under Val, they can't even last 90 minutes now under this clown
     
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    Do you think Mads and Morris will guide us to mid table? I'd love to think so but I can't see it with how wide open we are.
     
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    It’s woeful. We don’t have any width, or pace. The press isn’t really a press, it’s some half-arsed chase by one player on his own (where we used to hunt in packs). No one can beat a man. No point in early balls into the box because there is no physicality. The sweeper keeper, which made it so hard for teams to get into our half and hurt us, has been abandoned.
    He’s ditched the passing at the back, and now seems to want Woodrow to engage in battles on his own up fromt. He thinks Odour is not only worthy of a shirt, but inexplicably insists on playing him as a striker.
    He just has no clue and is jumping from one mess to another. Totally out of his depth.
     
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    I only saw the second half admittedly, but what I saw was light years from last season, even before the first goal. We pressed, but there wasn’t the shape or organisation to it that we had last season and that meant we were too easy to pick off.

    Last season when a wider player got behind us on our left, the left CB would move to full back and the other CBs and RWB would also slide across, effectively making a back 4. And vice versa if they broke down the right. Today it was just static, and we had Kitching and Collins to thank for not conceding before we did.

    From what I’ve seen, we’ve been crying out for a midfield 3 all season, bar qpr away. I can’t understand why he’s persisting with 3-4-3 when he doesn’t seem capable of organising the side to play it.
     
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    Did you see the front six pack we had in the second half before the equaliser? It collapsed from there on in, but it was clear to see and no different to last season. That’s why, before the equaliser, it felt like a carbon copy of some of Val’s less exciting, tight victories.

    We also pressed pretty well first half. Certainly wasn’t the biggest issue. Our left worked well with wise and Oduor beat his man once or twice, but absolutely nothing on the opposite side other than the ball in to Woodrow for the penalty. We did force Forest to go long when they didn’t want to.
     
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    That’s the defensive setup rather than the press though. Agree by the way. It’s not the same setup, but I was meaning the general flow of the game, how it was going, how we were playing, etc.

    All up until the goal, obviously.
     
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    High line and no midfield. Helik and Kitching pulled forward.
     
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    Not playing like that last 30 minutes we won’t. But I think they’d have improved our performance before that as they’re two of our star players. The wide open spaces have been an issue all season and the biggest worry for me when trying to make a case for giving Schopp more time.

    We’re missing any kind of physicality up front right now.
     
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    Not too bothered about the high line. We played the highest line in the Championship last season and even higher than we’ve been doing this season.

    Gaps behind the wing backs and a poor setup that doesn’t know when to slide or stay concerns me though.
     
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    But the press is suicidal if you don’t have the defensive setup right. Liverpool conceded 7 at villa when they got it wrong last season.

    While we’re not looking like scoring, the poor organisation is my biggest concern. We’re just too easy to beat. I don’t think all up until the goal is an accurate assessment. They could easily have scored twice in the second half before the goal.
     
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    Could Schopp ask Woodrow to be a bit more honest up front?
     
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    Sorry but the press is too half hearted to be effective, and nothing like the way we did it last season. There were a couple of times where we tried it and it looked like we might actually do something, but it just reverted back to slow plodding football. I don’t think anyone could actually argue that Schopp has actually advocated a pressing game. If he has, it’s the worst example I’ve ever seen.
     
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    I was concerned by Collins not timing his sweeps. That might just be my take though.
     
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    But you’re getting two very different things confused. I was responding to a comment about hunting in packs and pressing, which we did display tonight. What you’re saying is 100% correct, but that doesn’t mean we didn’t press in the same style as last season at times. If that makes sense?
     
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    I'm not sure that even an hairy arsed striker could paper over Schopps cracks. Our direction of travel is definitely downwards at the minute.
     
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    Not commentating on Schopp at all. Just saying the press was there and it was kind of working - apart from the fact if they played through us we were wide open to their pace. Forest also overplayed a lot more second half than in the first, which presented more pressing opportunities. In many games this season we haven’t had anything to press, so again it hasn’t been much different to last season in those particular games.

    When we forced them to go long or try and dink balls to the wings we swarmed them and got on the front foot. Unfortunately getting on the front foot at the moment doesn’t result in getting many chances, other than a Woodrow snapshot that just kind of hit the keeper and could have gone anywhere.
     
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