depends on the person doesn’t it. My dad eeks out his retirement surfing the interweb and knows far more about it than me. But for a lot of infectious stuff dragging yourself and your germs into doctors isn’t the greatest of ideas. One thing covid taught us is that if we wanted to we could virtually eradicate things like flu.
I’’m just having a couple of weeks off , not been on holiday as such just days out, but from observations folks behaviour is pretty appalling.No masks, pushing past, right in your face! I get that folk go on about ‘living their lives’ but really? Is it a big ask to at least respect other people’s personal space?After all they will be the first to complain if it all goes t.it’s up again.
I don't get why we're not panicking this year if the numbers are so much higher. It has to be down to attitudes due to the vaccine. People perhaps viewing it as an elixir. I'd say looking at the numbers another lockdown is a distinct possibility. I didn't realise it was this bad. That said I still maintain people should afford others common couteousy, wash hands, sanitize and wear masks if they're able. Have the media ditched Covid and moved onto other things? Is that why numbers are shooting up?
So clearly vaccinations don't work. Anyone got an out here because nobody who supports an extra lockdown has given one so far. Or do they support perpetual lockdowns on a permanent basis?
I may have missed it but I’ve not seen a single person say that they want an extra lockdown so that might be why.
"If it's necessary then it's necessary". Third reply in this very thread. Unless I'm very much mistaken then that's support for another lockdown
I do have a few niggling concerns that something is going on that they're not telling us. With the numbers of hospitalisations and deaths creeping up when we all thought they'd be going down at this stage in the vaccination program. I'm not exactly sure what.. perhaps a new variant that's more potent or less affected by the vaccine? Or that the efficacy of the vaccines are waning much quicker than predicted? Dear god I hope I'm wrong and I'm definitely not condoning more lockdown misery.. but I can't shake that feeling in the pit of my stomach. I don't know if I could do another year of this.
That's my point though. It isn't another year of it is it. If the vaccines, and I don't mean just one but basically all of them that the world's best scientists have developed, have failed and we accept more lockdowns then why would it be one more year? What would magically change? If we go into another lockdown after this vaccination program then we have to accept it's a permanent situation.
First two days back at school this week. First day was a two and a half hour meeting in the hall, everyone in lecture theatre style seating where you’re almost sat on the people either side of you and probably about 12 people (of which myself and my colleagues were 3) out of 300 wearing masks. The only nod to Covid regulations were two of the doors open into the corridor. Three year groups were back in today, all signs of Covid restrictions around school completely gone. No signage, full assemblies (with doors shut this time) no masks, no social distancing, no outer doors open. 2000 people from tomorrow just mixing in tiny corridors and classrooms. All students are being tested twice this week though and staff are asked to still test twice a week. There are multiple members of staff who are clinically extremely vulnerable, who vaccines have no effect on, and many more who live with someone who is. For all the talk of ‘locking the vulnerable up’, they have to go to work in that environment as shielding is not a thing anymore, as do people who live with them of course. I’m not sure what the solution is, just wanted to point out that many CEV people have full time jobs as lots of people online seem to refer to them as only being elderly or people who are unable to work and qualify for disability payments.
That’s not them saying that they do think it is necessary though. Maybe it’s my literal thinking but if it actually is necessary (not sure how we decide that) then it is necessary by definition as it’s the exact same word!
You're mistaking two very different words; acceptance and support. I accept we've got a useless Tory government, run by crooks, elected by the gullible, I don't support it, but I accept it. I'm not convinced there will be further lockdowns, but if there is, I'll likely accept it. Does that mean I think it's a good thing? No, does it mean I think the government are doing a good job? definitely not. But does it mean that 'vaccinations don't work'? Does it boll ox
That’s not necessarily true though is it? The scientists who have been working on the vaccines won’t say ‘oh well, we tried’ and stop working on them. They’ll try and refine them and hopefully come up with a new one using what they have learned from how the virus reacted (or didn’t) to this one. I’m not saying that it’s definitely possible, or that it would be quick or easy, or that means we should lockdown, just that accepting it’s a permanent situation, for the next how every many millions of years the Earth possibly survives for, isn’t a foregone conclusion just because it’s been less than two years since a new virus arrived and a vaccine that’s 100% perfect hasn’t even invented yet.
I think we've managed to eradicate just one deadly virus in the history of mankind (possibly 2) and it was much less contagious than this one. The idea that people seriously think we will manage to do so with this is in my mind absolutely bonkers. It's here to stay sadly. We have to learn to live with it like we have with all other killer viruses and diseases
I don't think that 'if it's needed it's needed' is simply accepting a poor decision, I think it's words of support for said decision
Vaccines work in the way that all vaccines do. They offer a level of protection. They are not a magic jacket that stops you getting ill. You will probably need boosters every year. Some mutations will be worse than others. Making strawman arguments about ‘permanent lockdown’ is just daft. No one on this thread has ‘supported extra lockdowns’. Just faced the reality they are a very vague possibility with a greater likelihood that other mitigation will return.
Le sigh no one supports lockdowns. We just acknowledge they could happen again if the NHS became swamped.
Barnsley reds supports the idea. He doesn't WANT an extra lockdown but states if it's needed it's needed'. He supports them if they're judged as needed in a few weeks.
