The Trans gender lifter

The leading female golf pro for distance is Anne Van Dam who drives it an average of 291 yards. That compares to Bryson de Chambeau who leads the PGA at 320 yards. That's pretty favourable and impressive and would rank her 152nd out of 206 players if she played on the men's tour.

However there's only 20 women on the LPGA who drive it as long as the shortest hitter on the PGA tour at a surprisingly low average of 268 yards.

Golf is a game of proximity and hitting it long is a big advantage, but thankfully there's lots of ways to play, and win, meaning it's not always the deciding factor.

I can see a time when some women will play and compete off the same tee as the men which would be great. Their swings are amazing to watch as they're like butter, incredibly beautiful and smooth. Much more relatable and transferable to the average male recreational golfer than their professional male counterparts.

 

Average is the key though. I played one round this year where my average drive was 257 yards and the longest 293 yards. But my average this year is just 224 yards. You've got to keep it in play, always a problem

 

Ive watched both mens' and womens' tournaments and the swings of both genders are incredible to watch and, as you say, the women were hitting big distances with what seemed like minimal effort.

 

Something to do with the advantage showing in the longer distances but not so much over the 200 and 100.

 

Although Maria Fassi absolutely laces it

 

not being a golfer ( i can just about make 5 over par on the crazy golf) does/could of the extra power in a mans swing affect his technique ?

 

Yes, it certainly affects accuracy, which is ultimately technique. Longest male drivers are hitting about 55% of fairways, but that doesn't mean the other 45% are in the deep rough or out of bounds, often it's still quite playable, especially as they're super strong and even heavy rough isn't always a barrier to low scores. In the US they play a lot of courses with little to no genuine rough as the TV audience wants birdies and eagles,so it's not as much of a penalty as it should be.

The shorter female golfers average 230-240 yards, but they also hit 85% of fairways, which is pretty impressive.

 

The committee thought the 200m runners were representing Wayne Rooney’s Derby County

 

Agreed, lying just off the fairway in very short semi rough still counts as missing the fairway.
That said, I played quite a bit of golf in Florida and North Carolina and the semi rough, especially in Florida I found almost impossible to deal with. It was,for me as a lowly 13 handicapper, virtually a guaranteed shot dropped it was so wiry. A shot from the semi round the green where I'd be looking to get near the flag in the UK I was gouging out with a lob wedge just hoping to get it on the green.

 

So can i - just dont tend to go in a the right direction a lot of the time

 

I don't think anybody is questioning that men have an advantage over women.

What's not completely clear is the effect that HRT has on the body. There's a lot of growing evidence that a trans woman has no advantage over a cis woman after undergoing HRT. There may even be a disadvantage due to the effects that changing hormones and essentially going through puberty again has on the body. If that does turn out to be the case I don't see how anybody can argue against it.

It's a difficult topic with no easy solutions, I do think they probably jumped the gun a little by allowing Laurel Hubbard to compete before the full facts are completely known, but I wouldn't be surprised to see trans athletes given the full green light as more info is known. I also think that the rules that have been implemented in a lot of Republican states in the US when it concerns non-competitive sports in school settings for example are ridiculous and do nothing other than discriminate.

What is obvious is that stupid things like the OP are helpful to nobody.

 

Haha me too, I don't play enough to be honest (once a year maybe) but when I had a round in June I was averaging around 250-270. Frustrating as would love to play more regularly.

 

What colour medal did Hubbard get, given she had so much advantage over the rest of the competitors?

 

I'm still not happy that no thought seems to be given to trans men?

That's not the point.

 

But given that so many people are suggesting just about any trans woman has a significant advantage, shouldn't Hubbard have waltzed off with the gold with ease?

 

Back in NZ there is a younger, biological woman who has not had their chance to experience the Olympics. And as sympathetic as I am for everyone to get to live their own life, I can't see this being anything other than unfair.

 

Whatever you do, there is unfairness baked into life. For every winner, there is a loser. For everyone given a chance, someone misses out. If Hubbard was denied and discriminated against, would that be fair?

It's not an easy situation at all and is incredibly complex. My tongue in cheek comment was to highlight that she hadn't been able to out her perceived advantage into practice. That may not be consistent with all athletes, but maybe for those (not you) who blithely suggest a trans woman is just a man in a skirt and should win no question, it creates some doubt as to what "natural" advantage is and whether it exists to the degree imagined by them.

 

poor lass lost on purpose, do not think she could do with all the stress and controversy of winning a gold, so the haters got their way in the end

 

She might not have the advantage ( aged 43 and probably past her best) but other transgender athletes will have. Bear in mind she had the advantage of being born male and competing as a weightlifter then. Biological women who transition to male wouldn't get that chance would they?

 

They may have. They may not have. In this case so the suggestion well in advance was how much advantage she would have. That didn't materialise.

As for F to M transitions, I suppose it depends on the sport, in weightlifting, maybe not, its probably too early all round to know the effect of some of the treatments and the effect they have depending on the age they are administered.

I can completely understand your view and I don't think there is an ideal solution that has fairness for all.