Fantastic result in Batley and Spen

In saying that the vast majority of AS were politically motivated he is 100%. The thing people liked about Corbyn is his honesty. It was only when he started triangulation on Brexit that he looked like the rest.

you have people like Hodge making 100s of separate claims on AS with 97% of then being not Labour members. Chomsky Is right on how propaganda works. One of the leading anti racists of his generation smeared by the right wing press and people bought it. Genius.

 

I defended JC with exactly that line for years.

Then I looked into it a bit further, and I no longer have any sympathy. The guy is an anti-Semite, he’s not a nazi, and I’m fairly certain he doesn’t even think that he is. But that’s just his belligerence, he believes he’s always right and that he couldn’t possibly be in the wrong here.

 

Again proving Chomsky correct. See the Example of Wood Green and various other examples of AS. Show me some direct evidence to prove your point.

 

What specifically makes him.an anti semite?

 

He doesn't unilaterally support Israeli policies and sympathises with the Palestinians.

 

Everything he said was 100% accurate.

It’s hard to come out & fully apologise for something when you know that people within the party have made false smears against you, deliberately slowed down & blocked up the complaints process to make you look bad. How people like Ian McNicol, Margaret Hodge, Emilie Oldknow are still in that party is beyond me.

Corbyn gets suspended but McNicol’s still in the party & out campaigning in the recent local elections alongside MP’s. Yet they supposedly care about anti-semitism?

The best about it is they didn’t even need to smear him, the second referendum policy in the last election did for him & all the smearing has done is add further fuel to the fire that Labour is a divided mess.

 

Have you done the maths based on the Chesham & Amersham result?

 

Galloway is one of the finest rhetorical speakers I've even heard, but a complete ****. Rattles like an empty vessel.

It was good Labour held on to the seat, but it was close. I'm still waiting to see what, if anything, Starmer stands for. There was a lame comment from the party just hours before the England game to let fans go home early, and that's about its lot.

Incredibly poor.

 

I know that which obviously isn't anti semitic. However, I've a feeling when @Donny-Red said he'd delved deeper he had some concrete examples.

 

At the time I worked with a Jewish lad, not that we ever talked about any of this. Once he mentioned his old man was on a Jewish committee in London and got home from a meeting the previous evening, very angry. He and some others were going to resign from the committee because it was orchestrating the effort to brand Corbyn as anti-semitic due to his opposition to Israel and support for the Palestinians. That’s all I know like.

 

Local lass wins, not a drafted in rising star. That`s a move in the reight direction. if nowt else.

 

you looked into it , that’s it then

 

Bang on. The candidate selection in Hartlepool was ridiculous. This made a lot more sense.

 

The main thing that irks me about Corbyns tenure is how many in the PLP undermined him even when the general election was looming. In effect they helped the Tories get into power rather than have a socialist government. Pathetic. And the party still has loads of these people pulling the strings. They deserve to get a kicking by the electorate. If Srarmer shows some bottle and runs with a lot of Corbyns policies (which WERE quite popular) then he has a chance and I'll certainly vote Labour. If he prevaricates or tries to use nationalist rhetoric and the flag as a smokescreen for lack of vision he can ********.

 

Decent discussion.

First Galloway. A more odious individual does not exist in British politics. Worse than Farage, worse than anything else in the Tory ranks. Why? Because he purports to be ‘of the left’. ********. Just scum.

Starmer? Wtf does he believe? What does he stand for? What does he want the Labour Party to be? No idea. Has he been around long enough to get those views across? Of course he has - Tory media or not. Get your finger out man and show some vision and show some leadership. There might then be a chance of a centre left coalition that could win an election.

 

around the same based on Labour vote there. Think it was around the 125 mark.

 

What he believes is out there if you can be bothered to look:

Today I want to set out how my leadership of this party and, in time I hope, my leadership of this country, will be defined by the values I’ve held dear all my life.

By the instincts and beliefs that inspired me to become a lawyer fighting for justice, to become the Director of Public Prosecutions and into Labour politics.

The thread that runs through my life and the belief that will inspire my leadership of this Party is the desire to change lives for the better. The desire to make a difference to my country.

This is a country that has given me so much.

I am thankful to the National Health Service that cared for my mum for much of her life. For the chance to be the first in my family to go to university. To go on, to practice the law and to have the privilege of leading the Crown Prosecution Service.

.......

And it makes me angry that, just when the country needs leadership, we get serial incompetence. Six months in, a Cabinet chosen on loyalty alone shows no sign of having learnt any lessons from the crisis.

Here are two things I’ve learnt.

First, if you neglect your public services, you won’t be ready when a crisis hits. Nobody blames the government for the existence of the virus.

But the under-funding of the NHS, the abandonment of social care and the lack of investment in prevention, that’s all on their watch. That’s all down to them.

And it always ends this way with Tory governments:

Public services are neglected, cut-back, and left to decline. For a party called the Conservative Party, they don’t seem to conserve very much.

The second thing I’ve learnt is that a crisis reveals character like nothing else.

And I think we’ve learnt a lot about this Prime Minister. Tory backbenchers know it. His Cabinet knows it. We all know it.

He’s just not serious. He’s just not up to the job.

Whenever he encounters a problem, Johnson responds either by wishing it away or by lashing out.

He kept wishing away the problems with testing, pretending they didn’t exist. He wished away the problems with the Irish border. Then, when he finally realised what he’d signed up to, he lashed out and decided to break international law.

We’re all doing our bit to combat the virus by obeying the rule of six. Meanwhile the government won’t even obey the rule of law.

And this is the big difference between the Prime Minister and me:

While Boris Johnson was writing flippant columns about bendy bananas, I was defending victims and prosecuting terrorists.

While he was being sacked by a newspaper for making up quotes, I was fighting for justice and the rule of law.

The grown-up way to deal with Brexit is to negotiate properly and get a deal.

And on Brexit, let me be absolutely clear. The debate between Leave and Remain is over.

We’re not going to be a party that keeps banging on about Europe. The Prime Minister has repeatedly promised that he will get a deal.

......


The promise that brought us all into politics – to change the country for the better – is pointless if all we can do is object to endless Tory governments.

So let’s be blunt. Let’s be brutally honest with ourselves.

When you lose an election in a democracy, you deserve to.

You don’t look at the electorate and ask them: “what were you thinking?” You look at yourself and ask: “what were we doing?”

The Labour Party has lost four general elections in a row. We’ve granted the Tories a decade of power.

The Tories have had as many election winners in five years as we’ve had in seventy-five.

It’s a betrayal of what we believe in to let this go on. It’s time to get serious about winning.

That means we have to change, and that’s what we’re doing.

This is a party under new leadership.

As I promised on my first day as leader we will root out the antisemitism that has infected our party. We’re making progress – and we will root it out, once and for all.

We’re becoming a competent, credible Opposition

But that’s not enough. I didn’t come into politics to be in opposition, and neither did you. I came into politics to change lives.

But you don’t get the permission to act unless the public trusts you. And we still have a lot to do.

I don’t underestimate the work that will be needed. But I can make this promise:

Never again will Labour go into an election not being trusted on national security, with your job, with your community and with your money.

That’s what being under new leadership means.

......


But let’s remind ourselves of what this party can achieve at its best.

This is the party that created the National Health Service and founded NATO.

This is the party of the Equal Pay Act and this is the Party of the Open University.

This is the Party of the National Minimum Wage and this is Party of the Good Friday Agreement.

These achievements show that we inherit a task and a purpose.

All three of the post-war Labour winners – Attlee, Wilson and Blair – saw it as their task to modernise Britain.

In 1945, Attlee had to build a society fit to reward the sacrifices of the war.

In 1964, Wilson had to make the “white heat of technology” work for working people.

In 1997, Blair wanted to extend the new era of opportunity to everyone.

In the 75 years since the historic victory of 1945 there have only been three Labour winners. I want to be the fourth.

And when you look back to 1945, 1964 and 1997 you learn an important lesson. The lesson is don’t look back, look to the future.

We need to be thinking about the questions of 2024 and the 2030s, not the questions of the past.

If anything, Covid has quickened the pace.

The challenges we now face mean that even the questions of 2019 already seem like ancient history.

What we say at the next general election isn’t written yet. But it will be rooted in Labour values.

It won’t sound like anything you’ve heard before. It will sound like the future arriving.

The trust of the British people will only be won by a party: that can provide security and opportunity at work, that ends the structural flaws in our economy that mean that working people have barely had a pay rise in a decade, that fixes the housing crisis so that young people finally have the prospect of owning their own home, that understands the need for an economy that’s healing the climate crisis, not contributing to it, that guarantees the security and integrity of this nation, that gives our young people the start in life they deserve, that gives our older people the dignity that they’ve earned and that cherishes our diversity and takes pride in a society where everyone belongs.

.....

The Tories have had a decade to sort it out, but they’ve done nothing. David Cameron promised he would fix it. Theresa May promised she would fix it. A year ago Boris Johnson promised he would fix it.

Let’s hold them to that promise.

This is a matter of basic fairness and human compassion. The Government needs to act and to act now.
......

We’re under new leadership.

We love this country as you do. This is the country I grew up in and this is the country I will grow old in. And I want it to be the country I know it can be.

That, in the end, is why I do this. To change lives for the better. To make a difference to my country.

I know the good a Labour government can do. And I’m already looking forward to it.

Thank you.


I'd particularly highlight: "What we say at the next general election isn’t written yet. But it will be rooted in Labour values." To set out the detail of Labour's election policies at this stage would be a very wide open-goal for the corrupt liar to attack and take attention away from his own failings. Labour getting back to power is a long game, and it's not for the faint-hearted. Nor is it for the hard left blowhards to blow off course with their protest politics, which mire Labour in eternal opposition. At some point we have to be grown up and vote in an administration with competence and integrity. And if that's too boring for some then they are engaging in fantasy politics with no hope of ever having the power to improve things.

 

Full speech here:

Keir Starmer Full Speech – Labour Connected 2020

 

Interesting speech and obviously meant to be a preamble before any specific policy announcements. When I see some policy I'll possibly vote Labour. Until then I wont. If you believe that people like me are 'hard left blowhards ' then that's up to you but I will certainly not vote for anyone who doesn't actually tell me what they're going to do. Lets see some actual flesh on bones shall we?

 

you did read the bit where he said he will tell you?