Fantastic result in Batley and Spen

Yes but the Tory press and media were having us all believe the Tories would win, they didn’t, we’ll take that and move on. Also, before this election wasn’t Labour’s majority just over 3000, looking at the table above it’s a similar lead is it not?

 

Sorry that table was from 2019. I just fact checked myself.
Labour won by just over 300 votes this time.

 

I never said they should be giving up anything.

This I don’t understand at all beyond inverted snobbery.
bright kid, not born with a silver spoon, worked hard, became successful. Any other people who have come from a similar background and done OK should recognise that.
If they don’t, then why?

But the Tories are only lying - it’s the same old bulls h1t empty rhetoric. If you can’t see that when a posh millionnaire is holding a beer, and pretending to be ‘like you’ and wants to help, whilst literally picking your pocket, then I’ve nowt more to say than ‘you deserve it, sorry, but I coulda helped if you’d listened’.

They have zero intention of doing anything for the north.

I’m afraid we’re in a bad way with Brexit and now the pandemic being a major distraction from left/right politics, all we can do is await the actual outcome and see how the Tories have performed.

 

Yeah, I should’ve realised with the candidates , lol

 

Not if you want the votes of middle England

Also, she hasn’t exactly covered herself in the glory with all the sh*t stirring against Starmer behind the scenes.

 

Mandelson put his finger on it this morning when he said the closeness of the result was down to 'the Cobinytes hoping and working for a Galloway victory'.

I'm not in the Party anymore but how is poison like Mandelson not removed. Beggars belief.

 

Glad to see that he endorses Sir Keir's leadership.

 

but perhaps if you want the votes of the working class people who you purport to represent. I have no love for Raynor it’s a more general point.

Trying to appeal to voters who will never vote for you at the expense of those who will won’t be a winning formula.

 

I like Kim Leadbeater she comes across as down to earth whose only interest is for her local area , of course there’s a reason the Labour hierarchy bent the Labour Party rules to get her to stand and that’s because anyone else in the current climate would have lost . After Hartlepool Kier couldn’t afford another loss , he even made a couple of statements appearing to back a Palestinian state he was so desperate to get the Asian vote . So in a week where Tory sleaze was splashed all over the news Labour held on by 300 votes , hardly a ringing endorsement of Kiers new world . Let’s see if the criteria for picking Kim , a well liked local candidate, is extended to other candidates because it wasn’t in the Liverpool mayoral contest . Now the right wing of the party are calling for the left to keep quiet , let Kier get on with it , he’s really centre left , you can’t get a more hypocritical rallying call than that from people who campaigned against their own party in a general election .

 

Interesting how Starmer is seen as "Islington Dinner party" - although he lives in Camden, but Johnson (who actually lived in Islington until he cheated on his wife) and Cummings (who still lives in Islington) aren't...

 

To say nothing of the fact that apparently Labour supporters can not be aspirational!

 

Johnson is a divisive racist grabbing scum so therefore a man of the people especially the north .

 

Keir

 

The country is changing politically. Some of this is Brexit - both as a cause and a result - and some of this is the changing demographics. Labour is no longer the party of the "working class" because the "Working class" no longer hold the views of Labour - they are not internationalist in outlook, aren't politically correct, have "outdated" opinions on gender, race among others.

The majority of supporters of Labour are younger, urban and better-educated (generalization from opinion polls), with a more international outlook - they've grown up with friends and colleagues from various EU countries. Many of these would probably also vote Green if that was an option likely to result in elected representation - but it won't ever be with FPTP.

At the same time, the Tory voters are also changing - many in the Shires are now switching from pure blue to yellow, with big LibDems wins at MP (Chesham) and council level. So while the Tories are chasing the Northern vote, Labour is consolidating in the cities and the Tory rump is weak. If Labour can win back some (30-40) seats in the North or cities, and the LibDems can win 10-20 Tory seats in the South, we have a new government. That is Starmer's strategy - like the one Blair had in the 90s with devastating electoral effect - Remember in 92, Major got the highest ever vote for a political party but 5 years of sleaze allegations saw that collapse. We are now again in a time of Tory sleaze almost every week - which turns off many of the "One Nation" Tories.

 

well said.

 

Not just politics changing tbh as an example football most of the rowdies are now middle class .
The yuppie us now the yob , the two idiots chasing Whitty !one of them worked in an Estate Agents on a pretty good salary by accounts and was sacked .

 

Keith.

 

The only labour leader to win a general election in the last 46 years was a public school educated lawyer.

 

And several with the same credentials have failed since

Picking a random Labour leader who was a posho is meaningless. Wilson won as many elections as Blair and he wasnt a posho.

 

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