Greg Clarke

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  1. Stephen Dawson

    Stephen Dawson Well-Known Member

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    If i'm a surgeon who makes an ill informed remark should I be struck off and they let Betty from down the chippy take your appendix out with a plastic knife n fork?

    Eventually if all these high ranking people keep falling on their swords because the hate mob keep sharpening their pitchforks where does that leave us?

    I think an awareness course and an apology would have sufficed. That probably makes me a racist, homophobic, xenophobe.
     
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    Gosh! I didn't realise that was the choice! Ooh err! :D:D:D
     
  3. Don

    Donny-Red Well-Known Member

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    Well it’s a ridiculous analogy.
    It’s the blokes job to speak to and for a diverse organisation, he’s failing to do that despite warnings. And he’ll presumably be replaced by someone capable of doing the job without making the same mistake. That’s a win win in my book.

    So would you rather have the old surgeon who keeps making mistakes, or a younger brighter one who’s learned from others errors?
     
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    Don't they use the term 'people of colour' rather than 'coloured' in the states.

    Obviously without the 'u' in colour.
     
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    yeah
     
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    What a load of *****!!!!

    Coloured, Black........does that really make someone e a racist???

    No it dosen’t!!!

    Our media and all the other silly fuking PC warriors are making your average Joe’s into racists just because they might say something that isn’t quite right........
     
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    Sadly he demonstrated how out of touch he is rather than how racist.
    I do think he needed to go as it's obvious he dunt understand the depth of feeling and groundswell of emotion around acceptable language these days....time for someone not moulded in the 70's 80's...
     
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    Until the next one says something that raises an eyebrow then they’ll get smashed to pieces by the lefty PC warriors
     
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    They use ‘people of color’ the same way we use BAME.
     
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    The next bloke would be the wrong an for the job too then.

    When will the dinosaurs realise that the worlds moved on and refusing to accept the change doesn’t make them morally superior, it makes them ignorant.
     
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    I think he did the right thing in resigning. Not just because of todays events but given a few years ago there was almost an identical scenario where he clearly hadn't learnt. Football seems so out of touch with todays moral standards.

    Now having said this and not defending him i just want to raise a couple of points from today. Did he call being gay a ‘life choice’ or did he say a player deciding to come out was a life choice. Also his stereotyping of female sports people. Was he making a statement or relating a comment he had been told by others. Either way the outcome is right but i just wonder whether everything is reported to validate a story or validate facts.

    now i agree with others, what about the other high profile racists that seem to get away with using inappropriate words.
     
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    In itself describing someone as coloured shouldn't be offensive it's one of those where they should just be reminded that the word they grew up using isn't acceptable these days but added to his other comments I'm not saying he's racist or anything but he shows ignorance to what is an isn't acceptable terminology across the board. Very similar to nudger actually.

    One thing I always struggle with though is why coloured is such an offensive description yet the person taking offence will then say 'im a person of colour'. Surely it's one or the other? However despite me not getting it i simply just don't use the word as it's so easy not to that why argue?
     
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    As Chair of the FA, he must have spent some considerable time involved in the discussions with the
    " Let's Kick it Out" and " Black lives matter" campaigns, plus anyone with an iota of understanding must realise that sexual orientation is genetically influenced and not a lifestyle choice.

    In this day and age we know that if anyone says anything untoward or unacceptable, the PC brigade
    will be on them like a ton of bricks. For that reason, you would have thought that as Chair, he would
    have had an expert check his script before meeting with the Select Committee.

    He's unfortunately left himself wide open and to deflect the adverse criticism that has been forthcoming from diverse quarters, he has seen fit to resign.
     
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    Using the word coloured. in my eyes can be deemed offensive but not automatically racist. Racism is a state of mind for me. How many of us would call anyone who used that term, racist. ( knowing full well that wasn’t the intention) I used to feel uncomfortable using the word black. It’s getting to the stage where no one dare say anything, for fear of being called Rude. Racist or offensive. I look in context. Like I believe we all do. And can make our own minds up. Would I lambast automatically. Not if it’s obvious no malice was intended.
     
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    Racists have no place in this world but non-racist people using a phrase that dosent suit others dosent make them racist dinosaurs either..........IMO
     
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    Spot on
     
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    My mum’s 85 years old and using the term “black” doesn’t feel right, she actually feels uncomfortable saying it,
     
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    You’re jumping to some conclusions.
    I never described him as racist. ;)
    His attitude to... people of colour, females and homosexuals makes him unfit for the role. Not because I’m too politically correct, but because despite warnings he hasn’t learned how to do his job properly.
     
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    What is or is not offensive language can often depend on the sensitivity of the listener. I have noted on here that some some feel that those that are not as sensitive to certain words as they are, deem the others to be racist. Hmm, if only it were that simple. What I have also noticed over my lifetime, is that just when you get your head round a new understanding, somebody changes the rules and the new rule can sometimes take several years to become established. An old saying about sins and stone throwing comes to mind.
     
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    Pretty much describes my thoughts finding this :-

    Many white people find it difficult to find the words for discussing racial issues. Sometimes they are afraid of using particular words for fear of offending someone and saying something that is apparently, but not intentionally, rude. Faced with the issue of a person’s racial group or ethnicity, some white people may deal with it by trying to avoid using any specific words at all. This may be because they do not know many black people personally or do not feel comfortable enough to discuss such things with them.
    Different people, whether black or white, make a variety of choices as to which terms they like to use to describe themselves and others. Clearly some are unacceptable and are largely recognised as such. Others are the topic of differing opinions and, because of this, such differences cannot easily be resolved. It is important to understand that the use of any racial term involves strongly held beliefs and feelings. There is consequently a need to be sensitive and adaptable.
    It is easier to raise issues and ask questions if an atmosphere of trust and respect between people has been built up. In this situation it becomes more comfortable to ‘correct’ or discuss particular terminology without giving offence or being offended. Constant, open discussion generally makes it easier to ask people what they prefer to use when talking about ‘race’.
    Meanings can change
    Terminology changes with time. What might be acceptable to some people one day may, in a very short time, be less acceptable or unacceptable. For example, the term ‘coloured’ has been used by white (and sometimes black) people in the past to describe others and themselves. It is still used by some older people now, often because they feel it is rude to describe someone as ‘black’. The fact that the word ‘coloured’ is considered more ‘polite’ by many of the people who use it shows that it was not always seen as a negative term by everyone
     

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