3 managers quit for same reason

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  1. Loko the Tyke

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    Divisional retention says it all.
     
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    When Dane speaks (imho) he speaks well as you would expect for a CEO and you really want to believe everything he says amd im sure he speaks openly and is very engaging.
    Unfortunately he has leaders who are not trusted by a large number of fans, however they write his pay cheques and he has to promote us in a positive way. Yes he would be different under patrick...but hes not and this board have previous in winding up the fan base.
     
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    I've already commented on the Ludewig statement. Wasn't a good one.

    I believe he was brought here by Struber. I could believe that others within the club potentially didn't rate him as highly as Struber did (I rated him very highly). I believe his last two games were his worst in a Barnsley shirt, but others played poorly as well. But I'd have never said any of that in an official announcement.
     
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    So you can perhaps see why I suggested Murphy was unbelievable with the Ludewig statement so recent and fresh in mind?
     
  7. Loko the Tyke

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    Well not really because I can believe that's what the club thought. I just don't think they should have said it in a public statement.
     
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    Was there a transcript, or was it just a video? If the latter, I think that probably explains it, as I'd be far more likely to read an interview, such as the recent one, than watch an in-house video which I naturally assume isn't a spontaneous interview.

    I might be an exception to the rule on this, but I'd pretty much instantly click on an interview link done via Radio Sheffield, or a general press conference with journalists asking questions, but for whatever reason I chose not to listen this at the time (or have completely forgotten it's content, which seems unlikely, given what you've described). That's partly down to the issues I referred to previously, but could also be linked to football being a fairly low priority at the time in the middle of lockdown.

    If it's a printed statement, like the last one, I can quickly read it and filter out the expected bias within it within a couple of minutes (and the last one was exceptional due to their being very little to filter out, due to the candid nature of the responses). It's a greater time investment in video format and I'd expect the content is 'seen' by fewer people overall.
     
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    Which bit the fact he talks to us more than GG did?
    You may be right BTW, I’m just pointing out comparing the two isn’t comparing apples with apples.
     
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    Fair enough, thats your prerogative to take whatever stance suits you. I fundamentally disagree, obviously, and this is just the latest statement that gives me the perception that the CEO isn't believable. Thats not to say he's disingenuous, I don't think that at all. But as its based on whether I believe him continually, no, I find that I don't.
     
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    yeah fair points. I definitely don’t think he’s silent but does need to somehow bridge the gap between club and fans and improve the relationship
     
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    It was fully spontaneous. Was filmed in one go, zero editing, never stopped once, etc. It was a collaboration with the Supporters' Trust and as it was myself and Gally asking the questions I can fully vouch for this being a true reflection of the setup.

    A transcript of a one hour interview with 55 questions isn't going to happen in reality. If video isn't for you that's fine, but it isn't the club or Dane's fault if a certain format doesn't work for you. You can never please everyone and the whole idea of it being filmed and available to watch was that you could see the spontaneous answers and that it wasn't scripted like a written update might be.
     
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    I think you've nailed it within the bolded bit. It's not about what he does, but about the perception of what he does.

    As fans, we're not at Oakwell for any significant time away from matchdays (and even less so when in lockdown). We're all more reliant on externally available content than the internal stuff (so interviews on the website, or within a matchday programme, don't reach the same audience), and we rely heavily these days on social media, where GG was a far more effective operator. The club's official stuff is great in general, and I think the team do a great job and take a load of unnecessary flak at times, but it's not the first place I go to look for BFC news. It's always the place where we get things we already know confirmed, and there's an underlying sense that it will be a filtered, sanitised view when it does come out, as you'd naturally expect.

    I can excuse the 'divisonal retention' bit on a language barrier, and in isolation it would have been a cause of a bit of a laugh and nothing more. However, it was part of content toward Kilian that was downright disrespectful to him and an obvious lie, so it just exacerbated the anger regarding this.

    The problem is that it then becomes more than a bit of an own goal. It was a case of one step forward, followed by two back, and largely undid much of the goodwill from the earlier interview.
     
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    Saying DM's role is more on the football side doesn't help his case much. That's where things appear to go pear shaped, and we see signings that are 'nice to have', while the signings we desperately need (Defensive mid, full back, striker) are still elusive.
     
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    I think this is bang right. The three have all been good managers for us until undermined, and I don't care what they've done since. With appropriate support they would have continued to do well for us. Struber could have been speaking for any of them when he said the club's ambition didn't match his own. It's sad to see people making excuses for the Board given that they represent so little of what Barnsley FC has historically stood for.
     
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    By all means criticise him where he deserves it but it’s not fair to compare him to GG, which is what I commented on.
     

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