What Valuation do you put on Woodrow & Mowatt ?

Do we go go on recent form or what they are like at their best? Do we go on what we should get for them or Covid prices where most clubs are skint? Woodrow has been off the boil for months now so his value so his value will have dropped since he scored 8 in 13. Mowatt is in the final year of his contract and for an attacking player never looks like scoring. Cauley is probably around 4 million and Mowatt around half that.

 

Agree. Mowatt looks a tidy player and covers the basics but when you think about it he has little impact on the outcome of a match. He doesn't score and supplies very little with poor set pieces.

I though he was going to be a like for like replacement for Hourihane but he isn't. His shooting boots have vanished. I'd keep Woodrow but drop him and let him know if he isn't scoring he'll be benched.

 

I think I’d also see that Woodrow has been moved around to play within our team structure which hasn’t always worked o his advantage over the last few months. I’d only be looking at buying him if I was clear about what position I wanted to play him in had the players to play that system and had spoken to him first. I’d u did that I’d expect 20 goals plus from him. We play a very negative system and create little under GS. You can’t knock this because it’s been moderately successful but it’s hard to evaluate attacking players within that system as they rarely get chances.

 

I think his defensive work and winning the ball back play a large part in us staying in games he is always looking to drive forward and get moves going so yes he does have an impact didn`t he play a great diagonal ball out to woodrow who shot wide early on and then the cross for Freiser.

Agree his scoring record ought to be a lot better and his free kicks were a bit fluffy but if he were any better on those weaknesses he wouldn`t be here.

 

To be fair to Mowatt, he was getting his fair share of assists in the first half / two thirds of the season, before Ritz came in and he was moved to a more defensive role. His long range shooting is woeful, but he's pretty good when arriving late into the box, and more likely to make a good pass than either Woodrow, Simoes or Thomas, if he was playing in that No. 10 role.

 

In terms of forward players Ours have all had a very poor goal return post Christmas under GS

Brown 2 in 14
Woodrow 1 in 14
Chaplin 2 in 18.

I’d suggest the system we play makes analysis of their goal return very difficult.

 

But they have also wasted a number of chances. I can't remember the last time Woodrow has actually struck the ball cleanly. Hopefully the fact he's got a goal already this season will help his confidence.

 

His goal against Forest reminded me of Bradshaw. He'll be getting them awarded by the dubious goals panel next.

 

The more chances they get the more goals they will score the more their confidence soars and shots per goal ratio increases.

They are living on scraps at the moment.

 

I would say Woodrow is £4 to £8 million.
And Mowatt is about 500k to £1 million.

I think Mowatt is holding out to sign a new contract as he’s waiting to see who the club is bringing in.
If it’s a good player in his position then Mowatt will be gone - he wouldn’t accept sitting on the bench.
But who would sign him ?
I would have thought of a big 1st Division club - someone like Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth - but they are all under financial restrictions.

 

If they do bring a midfielder in to replace an outgoing Mowatt then he needs to be oven ready, we cant afford to wait about for more players to get up to speed.

 

I agree with you Boris that it needs to be a oven ready deal

 

At that valuation, may as well let Mowatt run his contract down.

Mowatt's valuation should be placed purely on how much it will cost to replace him. If Struber thinks Whiteman, or any of the other options they claim to have are ready to come straight in, then Mowatt becomes available for a price that would cover a realistic offer for transfer and a year or two of the replacement's contract. I'd say around £3.5m. If nobody is willing to pay that, he stays.

Woodrow is still our most valuable player. If we sell him, it should be for a price that means the club is well placed financially to replace him and not have to sell any more first teamers during this window or the next.

 

They can indeed, but Mowatt needs to be rolling up his sleeves and trying to get things going from that position. Instead he put on his invisibility cloak. Woodrow was tried in two positions and was poor in both of them. Credit the opposition for some of that, and also it's down to Struber's system. As others have said, it makes us stronger defensively than it does in the final third, which doesn't suit either player. The problem is that their values will reduce unless they start to shine again.

 

Am sorry but there is no need for abuse if agreeing or not.

Why isn`t it B***s or does it clash with Balls. Oh balls works, there you go admin.

 

To be perfectly honest, it's dead easy to set up a team to play against us - stop Mowatt and Woodrow, look to bypass the press, play a combative centre forward like Collins to keep all three centre halves occupied and giving you a spare man in midfield and then double up down our left hand side and exploit the weakness of Ritzmaier at left back in the way Luton did with Cornick.

The solution lies partly in bringing in players to complement Mowatt and Woodrow eg Whiteman and a Kieffer Moore type, not to weaken us even further. In the longer term we need to have four defenders who we can trust to keep a clean sheet without denuding our attacking capabilities by playing five or a left sided player who is the equivalent to what Ludewig is on the right.

I'm not valuing either - they are both worth more to us than we could get in fees at this time.

 

all forwards miss chances. Unfortunately we create so few that our forwards snatch at them. It’s a penalty of having a defence heavy system but it’s got us results.

 

All forwards miss chances. Certainly the ones we can afford do. We need to create 2/3 good chances per forward a game to create a reasonable goal return unfortunately when we did this it left us exposed at the back. Under our current system I’d say we rarely create more than 1 or 2 good chance per game. It makes the forwards more likely to hurry them and helps to explain the poor goal return whoever we play there.

 

It's a shame our half chances aren't falling to Chaplin. He's our best sharp shooter.