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  1. Sco

    Scoff Well-Known Member

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    I'm not saying it is, but it is not our perception that is important - it is the perception of those people that unfortunately been the victim of racism for the last few centuries. *If* a sufficient number considering it insulting or degrading, then perhaps Kellog's should look at changing the mascot. *If* it is just one or two, then nothing will change.
     
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    Surely it's racist to immediately think that the designer was white. And if the designer was white then obviously they are racist as all white people are inherently racist.
     
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    That's a fair point but the issue there for me is that its a very impossible task to judge something based simply on perception. It will be easy for me to dismiss this as a white male who has not had to endure those remarks in the past. However based on the evidence seen in this case, I cannot myself see any racial connotation to this imagery as they have simply chosen a cartoon monkey to advertise a cereal. This has no link or relevance to the black community it is simply a breakfast food for children. If there was somehow a direct link to the black community then yes I would 100% be behind this lady in her campaign against this but I cannot see how she can claim this against them in this situation.

    Also, this lady has accused this major brand of being racists based solely on their choice of this mascot. As someone else has mentioned in the thread, that surely is offensive to accuse that without proper grounds to that, none of us know who designed that for a start and I am going to assume she doesn't either, it may have been created by a black man/woman.
     
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    Too young to comment on thought process behind marketing in 60’s, but could the animal of choice not be as simple as wanting to give an exotic spin to the product by using a Monkey?
    Also would have thought using a brown Elf could be construed as more rascist.
     
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    in just the same way as using a Tiger for another of their products you mean
     
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    Yeah
     
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    some Taff history for you YTBFC -
    (true story)

    Welsh harpist Nansi Richards went to the USA in the 1920's and visited the Kellog Corn Flakes factory. She commented that the word 'Kellog' was similar to the word 'ceiliog' which is Welsh for cockerel.
    So the Kellog company adopted the cockerel as their symbol.

    The difference between a **** and a cockerel (can't believe I'm typing this!) is that a **** is over twelve months old, a cockerel under 12 months. (Not many people know that!)
     
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    Who, or what on earth is curious george?
     
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    Its a kids tv show of a cartoon monkey
     
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    based on a series of kiddies books about a monkey written a long time ago - 50's I think - detailing his adventures in a similar way to the Paddington books do using a bear.
     
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    Gorgeous George's Dad.
     
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    I certainly won't - it's an idiotic tweet.
     
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    Ok I ' ll play. Who's Gorgeous George then?
     
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    The last of the go-getters.
    You really should know better.
     
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    I don’t think many will to be honest, I’m not so sure it would’ve been so had it been a Tory tweet
     
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    When I read the OP I thought it was one of those Viz Letterbox jokes.
     
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    Doesn't it show that monkeys live in the rainforest and eats cacao beans from the cacao trees? They chose a monkey because monkeys eat cacoa beans off the trees because they love them so much not because of somebsome 'interesting' theory about monkeys being brown and none human and there being some bizarre link to black people.
     
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    So what's the solution? Wipe monkeys off the face of the planet in case seeing them upsets someone?
    I'd imagine that seeing a jaws might upset someone who had their leg bit off while surfing but they aren't calling for the film to be banned
     
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    I honestly dont have a clue what you are talking about
     
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    Reading that has actually made me feel stupider - I'm not making that the last thing I read before bed so I'm going to have to find something interesting on Wikipedia now. Cheers.
     

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