I couldn't go on a plane or long journey wearing one. I'd be fiddling with it all the time because I'd find it too claustrophobic. On another track. dentists are delaying opening because having donated their ppe to the hospitals it has now jumped in price and having less patients due to social distancing stops being economic.
I had a broken tooth pulled just before Christmas. It was that or root canal, glad I chose to have it out now.
Root canal isnt always so bad - I've had it on 2 teeth and in both cases it was far better than having the tooth pulled Trouble is at the moment I dont think its an option - I read somwhere that dentists werent allowed even in emergeny treatment to drill and the only option if a tooth was causing problems was extraction even if normally other treatments were preferred
I had to have a wisdom tooth extracted a few years ago. Went to dentist, got the anesthetic - it hurt so he stopped it! Prescribed antibiotics, went back a week later - it still hurt!! Referred to Cudworth for sedation - I didn't know if I was on this Earth or Fuller's - it still hurt!!! Referred to BDGH, went to the dental service had more anesthetic - it still hurt!!!! Dental surgeon diagnosed that the anesthetic was only numbing half my jaw and not the required area. Ended up having it out under general. Six months later had to have other one done - straight to BDGH and general. Job done
It was a bad break and they said would take a fair few appointments. So we could have started and not finished. I did consider it but it's one that's out of sight. Redoubled my efforts to look after the rest better.
Ah I only had 2 visits each on the ones I had done - the first one the tooth was completely dead so didnt even need any anaesthetic The second tooth the dentist thought the nerve was dead - it wasnt! had to stop whilst he numbed me up For the second visit with the dentist said well this time the nerve has been removed so no need for anaesthec - turned out he hadnt removed all the nerve ..... I nearly went through the ceiling.
20 out of 179 NHS England deaths announced on June 3rd were from the day before. The rest were a backlog of many other dates going back over a month. Take today for example 123 NHS England hospital deaths were announced but only 19 happened in the past 24 hours and 9 of the 123 were below the high risk 59+ age group.
I'm sorry that's not true. I really don't think we should be changing the past. This is from 17th April, just 7 weeks ago. And I could link you to hundreds of articles saying the same thing because, as I said, 3 months ago there wasn't a widely accepted scientific view that face masks would help prevent the spread of the virus. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52321378 "The World Health Organization agrees. It says only two groups of people should wear protective masks - those who care for people with the coronavirus, and those who are sick and showing symptoms. It believes masks aren't useful for the general public because they offer a false sense of security. Why? Because they don't necessarily protect against infection, particularly if homemade or loose-fitting, and they may encourage people not to follow other advice to keep 2m away from others and wash hands frequently."
This is the type of thing I was hearing at the time Jay. Whilst I agree views were a mish mash. That’s why I’ve left most of the article in. If you want go to. Not all masks are created equal. Bear in mind all the other hygiene tasks go alongside the wearing. Which me and the Mrs do when going to the supermarket. face masks protect against the new coronavirus? 9th Apr 2020 “There is a lot of contradicting information coming out about the use of face masks. Do face masks provide any protection or not?” Question from a Full Fact reader There is little dispute that clinically-approved masks, including respirators and surgical face masks, help reduce the spread of the new coronavirus in healthcare settings. Over the last few weeks, various Europeancities and countries have also begun to enforce the use of face masks in community settings, in what appears to be a worldwide shift in opinion. As of 9 April 2020, Public Health England (PHE) is not advising members of the public that are not ill to wear face masks. Dr Jake Dunning, Head of Emerging Infections and Zoonoses at Public Health England, said: “Face masks play a very important role in clinical settings, such as hospitals, and for people with symptoms. However, there is very little evidence of widespread benefit”. On the other hand, the World Health Organisation’s (WHO) advice, published on 6 April 2020, says that “wearing a medical mask [in a community setting] is one of the prevention measures that can limit the spread of certain respiratory viral diseases, including COVID-19”. Importantly, the WHO warns that face masks are not a replacement for other protective measures, such as hand hygiene or social distancing. They may be effective when combined with those measures. Why do facemasks work in theory? NHS advice says that anyone with Covid-19 symptoms should be self-isolating and should not leave the house, so wearing a facemask in public should not, in theory, reduce your chances of catching the illness from someone who is already ill. However, the evidence suggests that some people with Covid-19 are contagious before showing any symptoms of illness. Indeed, some infected people never show symptoms at all. Because the virus is commonly transmitted via exhaled droplets this means that mask wearing for people who appear healthy can help to stoptransmission of the new coronavirus virus to other people. This is known as source control. The key point is that the benefit from masks is not that they stop people catching the virus, but that they might help to stop people spreading it. Not all masks are created equal In it’s guidance, the WHO makes clear that it is referring to surgical or medical masks, not homemade masks. Surgical or medical face masks are loose-fitting masks that cover the mouth and nose and are affixed to the head by straps. They contain fine fibres that act as filters to collect hazardous particles. Cloth masks are washable homemade fabric masks and clothing items, such as scarves and bandanas, that are worn in a way to cover the mouth and nose. Cloth masks aim to create a barrier against large aerosol droplets leaving the wearer and reaching the environment. Whilst the WHO hasn’t recommended the use of cloth masks, disease control agencies from the US and the EU have now said that these types of masks may help reduce the spread of Covid-19. On 3 April 2020, the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention updated its advice to say it “recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission”. A video is included that shows members of the public how to create their own mask from a household item. The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control advised on 6 April 2020 that “the use of non-medical face masks made of various textiles could be considered, especially if – due to supply problems – medical face masks must be prioritised for use as personal protective equipment by healthcare workers.” They write that “this is based on limited indirect evidence supporting the use of non-medical face masks as a means of source control.” The authors of the clinical trial of cloth masks, mentioned above, have said that “the physical barrier provided by a cloth mask may afford some protection, but likely much less than a surgical mask or a respirator.” They further explain that improper disinfection and washing of the cloth masks likely contributed to the findings in their study. Official sources stress that other protective measures, including social distancing and hand hygiene remain as important to slow the spread of covid 19 Another potential issue listed by the WHOis that mask wearing may create a false sense of security, which could lead to people not following other essential measures. Where local authorities advise that masks are worn in public, the WHO writes that “best practices should be followed about how to wear, remove, and dispose of them, and for hand hygiene after removal”. Dr Dunning at PHE says that “in terms of being protected against other people’s infections when doing usual activities - such as an essential shop at the supermarket - the most effective thing you can do is to wash your hands frequently and use tissues when you cough or sneeze, or cough into your arm.” By Kate Lewis Share this:
That very first statement tells its own story. The Science wasn't certain at the time. If you want to bash the government, and I do too, on a multitude of their sins, there's so much to go on. But on this issue, they tried to follow the best advice. The advice was, quite frankly, all over the shop. There was no definitive answer. And that's the point I'm making. They couldn't know for certain as there were so many conflicting reports. So I don't see the point in hammering them for it. From a personal perspective I still don't think the issue of face masks is fully resolved. When you're most at risk from catching Covid-19 from droplet infection, from other people breathing out the virus, they're an excellent way of reducing what an infected person puts into the air. So if you're sat on a bus, absolutely. But in a supermarket., that has a controlled number of people within, where people aren't in close proximity for long and the risk from droplet infection is low, I firmly believe face masks help spread the disease. People can't help fiddling with their face masks. If they are infected the virus is then all over their hands. It's on everything they touch. Every item they put in their trolley, the handle of the trolley, the items they pick up and put back, the conveyor belt on which they put their items, which you then put your items, the hands of the cashier who picks up every one of their items and then every one of your items... Even now it's not clear cut and not nearly enough thought is put into the advice given.
Fair enough Jay. But I have to agree to differ. That’s why I choose not to slag the government off just for the sake of it. But for the different reason you choose not to. I believe the evidence is there. As other countries do also. The latest highlight being face coverings being declared mandatory on Transport. (Given the fact busses were bursting at the seams taking workers to ASOS for example at the height of the crisis) When I go to the supermarket I fit the mask before I go in Don’t fiddle with it. ( unnecessary ) Take it off when I get back to the car. After I’ve sprayed my hands. Mask goes straight in the wash when I get home. Wash hands. It really isn’t that hard. But I feel I’m doing my extra bit to protect others. I go to work. I’m not in quarantine. But carry a risk of catching the virus. I dont want to pass it on if I’ve got it, but not aware. So now the government say it’s mandatory. Too late in the day. And why wait till June 15th. Baffling. just because more shops will open. ? More shoppers.? Telling folk to avoid the rush hour. ? The rush hour had already started. When lots of folk returned to work. Sorry mate but in my eyes for what it’s worth. Scandalous. Regardless of party.
Masks won't be needed for long as China are going to sort everyone in the world out with a vaccine https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8395161/Did-Chinas-ambassador-let-slip-Beijing-vaccine.html