strip, away your silly political arguments. I have had the displeasure of watching a 50 year old man being sedated as they stuff a half inch tube down his throat to ventilate him as cov19 patient. He is still conscious but needs a shed load of tranquilisers to get it down. he might spend two weeks on a ventilator until he's released and lives. the other 50% mins he dies.
Jay, could I ask what you mean by pooling our crops? It's a genuine question, the only EU crop pool I've come across before is the one to support natural disasters in other parts of the world.
Whilst I'm not an advocate of chlorinated chicken, and not afraid to be critical of the animal welfare standards that surround the issue, it has to be remembered that we currently allow the import from EU countries of Fois Gras...one of the most disgusting things ever dreamt up by humans in my opinion. https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...nimal-cruelty-uk-eu-food-rights-a8771086.html
Nobody has sidestepped your issue. Nobody has denied your views on animal rights, they're as valid as anything else. People have, correctly, challenged your statement that humans aren't omnivores. To keep arguing otherwise just undermines your main point.
Ah man.. American food is bleughh. Plus the farmers deserve their tractors. No point using a Mini Metro as a makeshift combine harvester
I used the wrong word, or rather the wrong phrase. I meant pooling our resources. In terms of food production the agriculture policy is to treat the EU as a whole rather than us all as individual countries. Across the EU we need n tomatoes. Rather than each country within the EU growing as many tomatoes as they can to fulfil the demand, we look at the best and cheapest way we can ensure we have n tomatoes, but not 2n tomatoes or even 20n tomatoes. Spain can grow tomatoes cheaper than anywhere else, they should grow most of our tomatoes, ensuing we've all got enough and they're affordable throughout the union. Yeah, but we're from the UK and we like growing tomatoes too. Well, we still need some UK tomatoes, as people like buying locally produced crops, particularly in season tomatoes when they're cheap to grow, but we also need n asparagus and UK asparagus is prized and it's efficiently grown here, so in season asparagus will predominantly be grown in the UK and there'll be enough across the union. And on it goes. I realise it's not nearly as simple as that, and it's not perfect, and there are aspects about it people really don't like. However, our fresh produce is stupid cheap. It actually doesn't make any sense how cheap it is. You look at a bag of carrots that's cost you 35p, or in season strawberries when you've got 2 punnets for a quid, and you think about sowing the crop, tending it, harvesting it, storing it and transporting it and it's for nothing. Good quality, cheap, fresh, nutritious food affordable to all. I regularly visit Australia. Or I did. I can't imagine I will be doing again. When we go to the produce section in a supermarket or a fruit and veg shop or the market I nearly have a coronary. 6 small tomatoes for a fiver. 1 limp, skinny leek that has seen much better days £2.50. A small bag of potatoes £7. An apple £1.50. I have photos of myself holding veg next to their prices, it blows my mind that much. Those sort of prices are coming our way.
As a consumer I can easily stay away from Fois Gras. As I have my whole life and will continue to do so. It does exactly what it says on the tin and I don't buy it, for the very reason you have outlined. (Just made myself laugh thinking of Fois Gras being sold in a tin, alongside the Spam.) I wonder if the same will be said for chlorinated chicken? When buying a whole chicken for a roast I should be OK. While I can't imagine the stuff we're talking about will have 'Badly Treated Chlorinated Chicken' in big red letters on the packaging, if I buy a British chicken, I should be OK. But if I buy some chicken soup or chicken pie, will I be able to tell? If I order a chicken curry when I'm out or Hunters Chicken (whatever that is, I've never had it) in a restaurant, will I get badly treated chlorinated chicken or not? Assuming we have restaurants in the future. I can not order the Fois Gras, that's what it will be advertised as, but badly treated chlorinated chicken won't get nearly the same billing.
I think Brexit needs parking up for most of the rest of this Parliament, whilst the smoke clears and we can see what kind of World we emerge into. Global business might be radically different and potential trading partners could be wearing different hats.
I shouldn’t answer this ........ because if he dosen’t like the answer he is very likely to spew out more childish abuse ...... that Admin allow him to get away with. Anyway ......... chlorinated chicken. You are mixing up animal welfare issues and the fact that chlorinated chicken has been peddled as some how poisonous. As I’ve said previously in this thread - there is concerns regarding environmental protections and animal welfare with regard to food imports. But what the farming lobby is doing is trying to frighten the British public into thinking American food is not safe to eat. Why ??? Because the farming lobby knows that if you take all costs into consideration then much of British food is far more expensive - they are trying to frighten the British people so they can maintain their relative luxury way of living. And yes I know - there are a wide range of farming categories - from wealthy grain farmers to livestock farmers scraping a living on the uplands. We are paying for British food twice - at the shop and through our taxes. Not only paying farmers direct subsidies - and giving them tax breaks - but also hidden costs with things like cleaning up drinking water that has been polluted by farming. Many of the impacts and costs of flooding can be laid at the door of farming - but that debate is probably for another day. Farmers know if tariffs are scrapped then British people will buy the cheaper beef from Argentina and the cheaper chlorinated chicken from America. Britain would benefit greatly.- cheaper food, better environment - if farming was reduced in this country
Less polluted - fewer chemicals in the environment. Cleaner water. Cleaner air. More wildlife - bigger tourist industry (anyone for wolves?). More countryside areas opened up for wellbeing. Less damaging flooding. Etc etc
Nobody on here is saying chlorinated chicken is poisonous to my knowledge. I'd just rather not eat chicken that has been reared to such poor standards that it NEEDS to be chlorinated.
Can you explain to me, as an uneducated idiot, how the price of British food going up would mean I get cheaper food? If Argentina beef is already cheaper then why isn't it for sale?
Young Nudge has no idea how much it costs. He just hopes he can say it’s cheaper and that he’s an expert and we all nod. he told us that food had gone up in price and we gave the facts to prove he was wrong, he just ignores it, chooses someone else to answer and off he goes. I don’t even think he believes half of the crap he posts. I can think of no rational human who follows George Monbiot AND Boris Johnson.