We may have peaked according to this

Sorry it’s not my job to read your mind or make suppositions. I quoted what you posted and disagreed.

I can barely remember what I did yesterday, you’re severely mistaken if you think I ought to remember what you posted weeks ago.

 

Exactly. It's no surprise countries like New Zealand and Australia are doing so well because when so few live in such vast countries, social distancing is easy. You get covid through your mouth or nose so making it mandatory to wear a face mask anywhere in public should get the country more back to normal with less risk than now where they aren't compulsory. Just remember to not touch your face and to wash your hands regularly.

 

Those cases aren't going up, but they arent really trending downwards either. It's going to be a while before the nmber of daily cases drops off to 'reasonable' levels. (whatever they might be).


Elsewhere:

 

I'm pretty sure that the real experts (doctors, epidemiologists, etc) were trying to get the government to start lockdown much sooner than they did, the government (definitely not experts by anybody's estimation) came up with the "herd immunity" strategy (Stand up Dominic Cummings oh wait a minute he's buggered off).

 

Did you look behind before indicating ?

 

Of course, I have a mirror. The car immediately behind me was some way back (30 yards) just coming off a roundabout, the abuse came from a flatbed truck behind the car. I suspect that he was driving too close and consequently had to brake sharply and didn't like it. As far as I could see I followed the highway code to the letter.

 

That's right Brush. As they rightly said on " Have I got News for you.?" Cummings was going.!

 

Trump knew when he tweeted the figures of Sweden having three times more deaths than their three neighbouring countries put together.....

 

When I used to bike to work I always looked over my shoulder as well working on the theory that even the doziest of motorist
would notice me .

 

Deaths:
Sweden: 2,586 (256 deaths per million people)
Denmark: 452 (78 deaths per million people)
Norway: 210 (39 deaths per million people)
Finland: 211 (38 deaths per million people)

 

He's a **** eh? Sadly for the dead Americans he was too late, they were early. Especially when it was always more likely that there were going to be more cases and transmissions in the USA than many other places.

 

Post that again in a year. Put it in Google calendar now to do it. And when you do, also include all additional deaths attributed to the restrictions imposed on the population. Covid-19 isn't about March and April 2020. It's here forever.

 

Out of interest are there suicide figures relating to the miners strike for example?

 

The Govt didn't come up arbitrarily with the herd immunity idea, apparently the UK, Dutch and Swedish Govts work very closely as a group on medical issues, the group view at one stage was that herd immunity was a way forward, the UK and Holland ditched the approach at the same time when it began to look like the wrong tactic whereas Sweden stuck to it.

 

There will be death figures for the time during which it took place and causes of death. You could compare those to the average and see if there was a significant difference. However, none were recorded specifically for miners and their families I don't believe.

 

The chief Swedish scientific or medical adviser was a student of ours (can't remember if it is Whitty or Vallance that was the teacher).

What about Taiwan? South Korea? Hong Kong? Vietnam? Japan? (although Japan have just introduced their second lockdown in some areas) All highly and/or densely population, all doing significantly better than anywhere in Europe. Even Athens is more dense than London, but look at how Greece are doing in comparison.

My understanding is that SAGE didn't consider a stricter (or earlier) lockdown during their modeling as they didn't believe that the government would go for it. Originally, Cummings was originally in support of the herd immunity plan, but when he realised it was going to kill so many people he went against it. It is also believed our initial models were based on flu with a higher survival rate and lower transmission rate*

*Twitter rumours consume with lots of salt.

 

Yeah we know we could have done much better shutting the borders and banning mass events sooner. Multiple media outlets today worryingly talking that lockdown will continue for months until daily infections get into the hundreds from the 6,000 it was yesterday. With every passing day we need to thank the human guinea pigs like this guy and hope it works out for us all....

 

My point was in reply to the OP who said, "Sweden, just that" in response to the route we should have taken. If we'd have followed that here with less shutting down of infrastructure like shops and cafés then the death rate it would have been considerably worse. You don't think the large scale death is traumatic already? People unable to say goodbye to loved ones properly? Online funerals? Kids growing up without a parent? I'm not sure more of that should have been the option instead of mental health issues down the line because of people having to stay in their homes. I don't say that lightly.

I don't know, and neither do you, the numbers of additional deaths because of the lock down due to mental health issues etc. I do know that it's already traumatic for many people who have lost husband's, wives, carers etc., and we chose the least worst option. Note: least worst option.

 

As I said, give us those figures next year. I'm sorry, but you're judging this way, way, way too soon.