We may have peaked according to this

What will Denmark do when one infected person gets passed the checks?
We were clear of it in January remember

 

You're writing a match report on how each country performed versus Covid-19 after the first 2 minutes of the game.

 

How about folk sit tight in line with government guidelines for the moment instead of f***ing moaning every five minutes and giving cover and tacit support to the morons who are intent on ignoring the lockdown and putting people's LIVES AT RISK.

 

The issue though is that whilst it may not effect you in the same way if effects 86 year old Doris, if you go out and about as normal whilst perhaps carrying the disease whilst showing minimal symptoms, then you could pass it on to people who aren't as strong as you.

What the answer is though, I don't know.

 

Amazes me how many people I have spoken to didn’t realise the lockdown was continuing, they genuinely thought it ended last week.

 

There was a gap between the 3 weeks stated and them announcing another 3 weeks of lockdown.

 

Wow that is amazing.

 

For me, that was another ****-up. The decision to extend shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone, but it could and should have been announced part way through the third week to avoid any confusion and/or folk taking the mick.

 

Me and my daughters discussed this the other day and the thing we had all noticed was it was announced in a big way the first time, but it was almost crept out in comparison.
Part of that I think sits with the government and partly with Media.

 

Yes, it was as if they couldn't do the Lockdown Will Continue speech without Johnson to front it. If I were a bit more cynical, I might think they were still going for herd immunity, but hoping to do it under the radar.

 

Nah I honestly think it was purely the case that while Boris is a tw@t he is actually a strong tw@t who isn't scared to make bold statements (his hiding in a fridge was different. He couldn't control the questions).
His cabinet however are all yes men and women who between them couldn't decide whether to have red or brown sauce on their bacon sandwiches. I can absolutely guarantee that they were delaying in the hopes that Boris could either somehow give the statement or at the very least make the decision for them.

 

That made me chuckle.

 

I was out for my bike ride late yesterday afternoon and the traffic levels were by far the highest since it all started, almost back to normal. Standard of driving also back to normal with several close passes and abuse from a van driver after I had indicated right, pulled out to the centre of the road then turned right. Called me an effing idiot.

 

Insane. Why would you risk the lives of your family and hundreds of thousands of other people just to go shopping?

 

No, I am just able to see what economic shitstorm is heading this way the longer the lockdown goes on.

Hopefully sooner rather than later people will realise that there needs to be a balancing act between the economic future of the UK and the deaths linked to/ caused by Covid19.

The only people who can afford the lock down to continue are those in an affluent position. Your average Joe can’t. Come the end of June unless the government extends their schemes there will overnight be thousands of unemployed.

Bars, cafes, high street retail all remaining closed. Do you think the various employers are going to retain and pay staff themselves when they have no revenue generation?

Only half of commercial rents were paid in March as reported up to April 20th.

Micro businesses, eg Market stalls, family owned coffee shops etc don’t qualify for some government schemes.

I do not think anyone has seriously assessed and publicised the ramifications on how the lockdown will affect the economy. It won’t be long until the alarm klaxons are ringing in 80-90% of UK households when they realise in real time what the lockdown has caused to their finances.

Redundancy.
Short time hours.
Some pension schemes become worthless overnight.

There will be hundreds if not thousands of households turned upside down in the space of a few weeks and be stuck in severe financial difficulty.

We are currently wandering blindfold down a path which will devastate the economy with no plans in place in how to rebuild it.

The media is currently bludgeoning people’s critical thinking with a constant bombardment of the government over every move they make normally with variations of the same question ‘ you don’t care about people dying’ . A question that unless you answer is with some emotional self defence leads to political suicide.

But in reality, it isn’t, people realise how difficult a situation the government is in and know there no easy answers.

The problem is the government is scared of the media and are unable to make big calls without being piled on.

And we haven’t even discussed the impact the lockdown will have on normal life, civil liberties, our long term mental and physical health.

The lockdown does need to continue but it needs to focus on protecting and isolating the vulnerable while allowing those in lower risk groups to return to work and attempt to rebuild society the best they can.

 

To be honest it's always been fairly obvious were still in lockdown, I have had radio on this morning and been told stay at home nearly every ad break, the news tell us everyday, not to mention internet and news I get sent to my phone. You would have to be completely brain dead or live like a Victorian to not realise we are still in lockdown. If you are unsure were in lockdown until they say the lockdown is lifted.

 

I agree, but give an idiot a loophole and he'll run straight through it.

 

I am not unaware of the economic consequences of the lockdown nor am unaware of the problems associated with other health problems caused by the NHS being overloaded by COVID-19 cases. However, if the lockdown ends too soon, then it will simply accelerate again with thousands of people off work sick, the NHS completely swamped and businesses unable to function because they've got no staff. Not to mention the deaths and cancer patients etc again being put on the back burner. I don't know when it should end and neither do you.

I would suggest we leave it to the experts to decide, they know best.

 

But if we remember that it isn't just the death rate that is heavily weighted towards the elderly but also hospital admissions then doesn't it make sense to strike a balancing act whereby the elderly are BETTER protected and the young are allowed to work?

If you catch covid-19 and are 20 year of there is pretty small chance you will need hospital treatment. If you are 80 and catch it there is a high chance you will need it.

All of our measures are not to halt the virus but to reduce the strain on the nhs. With that in mind it is absolutely mind boggling that we are not focusing our efforts on those who will be the biggest drain on the NHS.

Try to control 66m people and you will fail while spending billions of pounds doing so.
Try to control around 8million over 70s and you will stand a far better chance. Especially if you redirect even half of that money into doing so. Funding people to isolate with them (like in the care home with no cases because care staff moved in), funding their shopping needs and their entertainment needs etc.

Can our NHS cope whilst hospitals are filled with elderly patients? No.
Could they cope if all those elderly were protected and not needing hospitalisation? Most likely yes.

Nightingale hospital had just 19 people in it at Easter while local hospitals were under immense strain.
Protect the vulnerable, get those who need it into the specialist field hospitals where the risk can be better mitigated and procedures can be put in place and imo it's the only real long term solution.

As for leaving it to the experts. Let's not forget that our experts DID have a strategy but because the media and in turn public didn't agree with it they back tracked and rushed into a full scale lockdown.

 

Yes that was the fault of the government as they put us in three weeks of lockdown which ended on the Monday, before they extended it another three weeks four days later on the Thursday.