Belgium ban mass gatherings

Well considering people are saying football would be disgraceful after any lockdown ends and I'm arguing it's not then I'd say you've got completely the wrong end of the stick

 

If any kind of social contact is banned until Christmas then the death toll and shortened life's from those measures far far outstrips the death toll from covid-19 directly.

I also don't think that football is seeing itself as special. Up and down the country businesses are putting plans in place for how they will, at some point, reopen. The difference is that with Bob's car wash in Barnsley nobody cares that he's planning how to start up again but with football everyone jumps on it

 

Death numbers are being kept down because of isolation , this virus isn’t going anywhere until we get a vaccine or everyone becomes immune which involves mass deaths and everyone else getting it and surviving . Until the vaccine is developed I can’t see how things socially can go back to before ....unless we adopt an out and out survival of the fittest policy

 

I agree, I keep seeing people say we need more testing... lovely I get that we do but it won’t affect how many actually get it, we need a vaccine!

 

Merkel to her credit has explained it very well......

 

There's are two other options available.
One is that a vaccine doesn't have to be available if the drugs that treat it are and they are much quicker to get ready. A drug for example isn't licensed specifically for covid-19 it's licenced for use in general. So if they can find an existing drug that they know is safe then it's a game changer. People would still catch it but there would be treatment available to cure it. Sure prevention is better than the cure but the cure is better than death.

The other one is that not all people are equal. Up until now we have adopted a policy that everyone is treated the same while we know this isn't the case with regards the risk. More effort could be put into isolating and protective vulnerable whilst allowing the average person to continue life. Of course some young or fit people would lose their lives but that happens daily anyway. You can't completely remove risk in anything but by isolating and protecting the vulnerable you can mitigate those risks.

 

You (and governments to be fair) are making two assumptions that are unproven:

1). Recovery gives you immunity
2). Immunity lasts

So, we could let the young and healthy (and those who have recovered) go out and about, but they could still catch it - and have worse symptoms the second time, then the third time. It is entirely possible that we will not develop natural immunity and each wave of the disease will kill a random % of the population.

Oh yeah, big factors for ICU admission are being of BAME origin, being male and being overweight. Do we stop all overweight 50-60+ males from leaving the house because they are at a higher risk? Especially those with hypertension, diabetes or other managed conditions.

 

My post above wasn't really anything about immunity it was about treating the I'll with drugs.

However what I will say is that if catching the virus doesn't offer any meaningful immunity then we will simply have to end the lockdown and accept widespread deaths. It really is as simple as that.

 

But they're all keeping a 2 metre distance aren't they?