Hancock - Exercise could be banned outside the home

I didn’t realise the virus could pass through the Internet and the TV - it must be mutating all the time, eh?

The entire strategy is about not overloading the NHS. The lockdown will be implemented and removed over the next 12 months, so that new cases spike after the previous lot of cases are out of the hospitals.

 

If no one is going to work, which would be required if you want zero cases, then no one is pressing the buttons to make your TV and Internet work.

 

So you're not one of those who believe it will be over in a few weeks and agree with what I said.

 

I haven’t seen anyone say they think it will be over in a few weeks, I don’t think. Certainly not anyone that has been following what’s happening.

I’ve also not seen anyone say that we want to get to 0 cases - that’s unrealistic. Keeping it under the NHS capacity is the goal, not 0 cases. Key workers will always have to be allowed to work, I can’t see that changing unless something very drastic happens such as a huge number of nurses and doctors being unable to work.

 

Read this thread. Read all the football threads. People are still talking about how we might complete the football season. People think we're in this for a few weeks. The consequences of what we're doing is not even being thought about never mind discussed. It's not completing a football season, it's complete societal collapse. Not from Covid-19, but from the measures we're taking to combat it.

 

I still can't get my head around why people think they are too good to just ignore the advice.

We have been told by our lovely government that the more people stay inside, the quicker things will get back to normal. Whether you believe this to be the case or not, why wouldn't you just do it? What makes you blatantly ignore it because you think you know better?

It reminds me of people I went to school with.

"Calm down class. Be quiet. Quiet. Everyone shut up. If people aren't quiet then I'll put the whole class in detention"

"Can't tell me what to do. I'll do what I want. Put us in detention I don't care"

"That's it. Detention for the full class. If anyone has a problem with it then you've got the one idiot at the back who's spoiled it for everyone"

 

I think people need to see a ‘finish line’ - that’s the reason they only announced the initial lockdown for 3 weeks and they’re likely to extend it for 3 weeks.

I’m not saying that you’re wrong with your predictions, but my personal feeling is that the measures put in place is a better choice than the alternative. I admit it’s not really based on anything other than a gut feeling.

Economically, I feel like this isn’t going to be as devastating as it appears, due to the fact that all countries being in basically the same position. Obviously I’m not an economist and I know this is over-simplifying it massively, but if the measures taken cause the £ to drop, the measures taken by Europe cause the € to drop, the measures in the US cause the $ to drop etc. etc. - nothing really drops. Again. I’m purposely simplifying it, I’m aware that’s a stupid way to look at it and it’s a lot more complicated than that, but my basic point is that it’s a lot different than a localised economic crash. At least from a ‘big picture’ economy point of view. I imagine we’ll have significant tax overhauls in the coming years within this country, however.

I’m worried about suicides, people going stir crazy, domestic abuse etc, of course I am, but I just don’t think it will cause as many deaths as the NHS being 10x, 20x capacity if we left people to contract this virus and did nothing.

I’ve said it before, but there are no right answers to this. Just many potential solutions with many problems. I certainly do not envy those in charge right now.

 

Firstly I'll just explain that I haven't been in a shop for a fortnight now and have only left the house to collect my daughter from my ex. I've not broken any rules nor do I plan to...

I don't get the animosity from you or others towards Deetee if im honest. If he is going on walks and not coming into contact with others then he isn't the problem- direct it at the likes of Django's (i think??) neigbours who are mixing with others, having get togethers etc.

Some common sense needs to be applied. If you live somewhere very quiet and can walk a dog twice without seeing anyone you are improving the wellbeing of both the person and the dog. That may not be the rules but it doesnt make them the devil incarnate.

There will be people in this country that live very remotely and not see a soul for weeks, what is better for their wellbeing in that circumstance? The rules are directed at the vast majority because they dont have the opportunity to avoid people as easily as this.

I'm sure if Deetee were to have a conversation with the powers that be at No. 10 they would secretly agree he's being safe doing what he is providing he doesn't come close to anyone.

 

But then if everyone has that attitude? Where do we stand then?

It's not just aimed at him. It's aimed at everyone who is bring selfish. Various people in this thread have tried to be Mr Tough Guy (or Gal) stating that it doesn't apply to them because.....

There is no because.

 

Wish I could agree with you mate. The fact that every country will be affected is the biggest worry. Means exports are fecked too, which would be one way of trading out of this with a reduced exchange rate. The level of poverty likely to be faced in this country will be close to the post war years. People are not understanding that in the slightest.

 

What? If everyone makes sure that whatever they did they didnt come into contact with anyone else within 2 metres? If everyone literally behaved like Deetee we wouldnt have a problem. That is a fact, you cant tar him with the same people having BBQs with family etc.... that is totally out of order. He is being safe.

 

If you don't have a garden you need to take a dog out twice a day, unless you are going to let it **** inside your flat / house. Taking it out when no one else is about seems sensible & pragmatic. I've seen 95% of people acting responsibly when out, but some are not I agree with that. The quote earlier in this thread from my local MP makes things about as clear as they can be I think.

Hygene, especially amongst those going to work, shopping, travelling on public transport is to my mind the most important factor in stopping transmission.

 

Bang on.

 

Id get the anger mate if it was someone doing something reckless, but this is way over the top. He isn't harming anyone. They need to direct it at the ones driving from Oldham to Malham like they did at the weekend where apparently it was rammed. That is what needs calling out. Not some bloke walking his dog whilst mindful of social distancing twice in the middle of nowhere. If it was that dangerous they wouldn't let him do it once.

 

If this research about it staying in the air for up to half an hour turns out to be valid then the 2m thing only mitigates the risk. It's a minimum acceptable level of separation, not a safe one.

 

Exactly correct & the pillock that was driving around the empty streets in his audi convertable, which folks are having to go into the street to keep safe distance from each other. Was delighted when I saw him get pulled up that police seem to be using common sense in the main.

 

Yes I agree, and they would have to rethink the lockdown rules re exercising if that was the case. Fact is if Deetee is describing it accurately he never comes within 10 metres of anyone. Now if covid19 stayed in the air and infected everyone at that distance 99% of the country would have it by now.

 

Is that indoors, or outside though? It is not clear in the article it's drawn from. There is a massive difference.

 

The research I have seen is comparing it to SARS being an aerosol, but all examples are indoors. It wouldnt work like that outside.

 

If people on this board really want to get angry, why not do so about the lack of PPE for frontline nursing staff?