how many of these deaths are.. A. Died with corona virus B. Died because of corona virus its the old bus and bullet conundrum. say if I got run over by a bus and im laying dying in the street. 1 Minute left to live. im going to die, its just a matter of time.. then some one comes along with a gun and puts a bullet in my head putting me out of my misery.. which has killed me.. some would say bullet (virus) has its the fatal blow. but im already on my way when the bus (underlying Condition) hits me.. and that is where the death rate disparity is coming from in China/Germany they are saying bus. where most other countries are saying bullet..
Have you studied the testing strategy of all these countries, the demographics and geography, do you have an in depth knowledge of the control measures put in place? Or is this just some half baked notion found at the bottom of a beer bottle?
He has a point though. If you die in Germany and youve got terminal cancer and you get Covid19 the primary cause of death is the cancer secondary cause is the Covid19 In the UK anyone who dies with Covid19 is seemingly having that put as the primary cause of death regardless of any underlying health issues.
Seriously how much difference do you think that makes to the stats. they’re not building emergency hospitals to deal with an upsurge in ladder falls or shark attacks.
I think a decent amount could be included actually. My uncle is currently 87 and is in hospital in Inverness with pneumonia, it is looking like hes going to die. He's tested negative for Covid 19 but theyre going to allow my aunty to see him if he deteriorates any further. If she or others were to pass it onto him now he would be added to the toll. It is a bit daft if that is the case. Knowing that the elderly are the most susceptible to this i believe there will be many others like my uncle who could inflate the stats. Not playing it down, just being honest.
You’re entitled to your opinion, and I’m sorry about your uncle. but from a numbers point of view, if our death rates are rising at a similar rate to countries with similar control measures (ie not Germany - who were quicker and better than us) then that shows it’s not significant. (edit - in the unlikely event your uncle tests positive - he’ll be one of hundreds of deaths that day)
Not that it matters but, these underlying health conditions like Diabetes, cancer patients and COPD are not short term terminal. These people could live well into their 80's. I know people who have had Diabetes since they were in their 20's, COPD for 20 years +, cancer for 10 years. If they catch Covid-19 and die within a couple of weeks, it's the Covid-19 that has killed them. It's ridiculous to say they would have died anyway. The number of terminal patients without Covid-19 with only 2 weeks to live is minimal so the figures are not slewed in my opinion.
Of course you are right with people given years to live, thats a different ball game. What Im referring to is people such as my uncle that are close to death and make up the 1600 or so people that die on a daily basis. People who it wouldnt take much to kill off via flu, a bad cold or infections etc. It is feasible that there will be overlap and this is something the government I think has acknowledged previously. Just to reiterate I am not playing this down.
