Tory Propaganda - Leeds General Infirmary Story

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  1. Wat

    Watcher_Of_The_Skies Well-Known Member

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    After the photo of the boy sleeping on the floor appeared, there was the issue with BBC correspondent Laura Kuenssberg who posted that a Tory minister at the LGI had been punched by a 'Labour Activist'. This, it turned out was false and she removed the below post.

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    This was presumably after she had seen the actual footage (rather than listening to Tory lies) which showed the incident in question. However, she couldnt quite row back completely and said that the footage was "a grim encounter".



    Then later there appeared numerous posts on twitter and facebook claiming that it was all a set up.

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    The editor of the Yorkshire Post then took to twitter to speak to someone who wrote to him alleging they made up the story. He replied,

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    In between times the woman who was responsible for the original message via Facebook has claimed she "was hacked", saying she doesn't know anyone in Leeds.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...-hacked-to-post-fake-story-about-hospital-boy

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    Watcher_Of_The_Skies, Dec 10, 2019
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    Now where is that report about Russian interference?
     
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    JamDrop, Dec 10, 2019
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    This says it all....

    But political advertising is regulated outside of the ASA. And the electoral law that applies "doesn't require claims in political campaigns to be truthful or factually accurate," according to the House of Commons library.
     
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    Not saying she’s right because it will be hack but dint the hospital apologise for taking four hours to find him a bed not leaving him on the floor for hours, somebody claimed they made him comfortable on a trolley until the room was available.
    Like I say maybe they did leave him there on the floor, I can only go on my horrible experience losing our son to the horrible disease earlier this year when despite a bit of a wait for the room, he was made very comfortable on a ward trolley which as it turns out looked more comfortable than the bed.
    Irrespective if the account was hacked what the fk has the world come to when folk make death threats over a false rumour !
     
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    Brief update. The lady couldn't have been hacked as she commented on her own post, as below. What a silly woman.

    Her story then changed to say she wasn't hacked, but that she friended someone on Facebook who gave her the text to post (she copied and pasted it - note it wasn't shared). Her husband works for BUPA and she's his assistant. Here's a photo of them both. There's some other information going round that's yet to be corroborated, so I wont share it until there's decent proof.

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    No the trolley story is part of the fake news - the photo is genuine and not staged - no one who was there has said anything different

    What I cant get my head around is someone deliberately fabricates a false response to this story
    They know its made up because they just invented it but then can get it distributed and it snowballs
    to do that it needs to be pushed by people with many followers who also know its a lie - or at best have no idea but decide to take it as true because it fits their agenda
    Journalists like Allison Pearson on the telegraph who should know better

    We then get the fake punch - its on tape for FFS but that doesnt stop a story being spread

    All I know is I am prepared to believe the Yorkshire post and the fact they have spoken to people and the Hospital that has apologied over tweets referring to "friends who are nurses at a hospital when they cant even get the name right"

    2 Facts
    1 - under the last labour government NHS waiting lists and waiting times in A and E came down
    2 - Under the 9 years of a tory government waiting lists and waiting times in A and E have gone up and now many hospitals are missing targets
     
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    The mad thing is thought SuperTyke is that most of their policies WILL affect the majority of their voters. Every person that I personally know relies on the NHS if they get ill, but some of them are still voting Tory.
     
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    I’ll try to answer this...

    there appears to be a policy at CCHQ to provide and to support disinformation. It’s definitely done deliberately (see twitter header change).

    they know it gets debunked, and that it angers and frustrates their opponents, however I think the key is that it leads some people to then distrust ‘all’ messages, and others more bafflingly to carry on backing the lies (seen on this board re this story).

    it’s a gamble, but one which got Trump elected and is further leading to him maintaining support despite his appalling record in office.

    only the result of the election will tell us whether this strategy is a winner, I personally fear it has legs.
     
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    I'm certainly not banging the Tory drum or disputing the facts you have quoted, but in the interests of fairness it should be qualified by the contributory fact that according to the ONS there are between 4 and 5 million more people in the country than in 2010.
     
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    The art in trying to make this a fake story is not to debunk this story per se, but to imply by association people in the NHS are not sleeping on the floor whilst waiting to be seen.

    That's why debuking their lies was so important.
     
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    Also, her son is a Tory activist and Facebook friend of..........Matt Hancock! You could not make this schitt up. Well, the Tories do, but y'know....
     
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    Therefore a larger % of the population is working and paying tax that helps fund the nhs
     
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    The population of the UK is bigger now that it was in 2010 but it doesn't follow that a larger % of the population is working and paying tax that funds the NHS.
     
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    I think the post was badly written I dont think he meant larger % but larger number -The chances are the percentage is about the same since the percentage unemployment hasnt changed much - though the retirement age has gone up but as long as the percentage paying taxes hasn't gone down there shouldn't be any problem to keep waiting lists the same should there?
     
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    Get stretching DeeTee mate time for some more mental gymnastics.
     
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    Although the employment figures have been "massaged" to within an inch of their lives. IIRC one hours paid work per week counts as being in employment.
     
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