Minority Report 2019-20 Talking Finance 4

So would you agree the owners have failed the club and the fans that two years on from buying us they haven't increased revenue streams enough to not be reliant on weakening the playing squad to break even?

 

You will all feel a lot better once we start winning again.

 

No

 

Disappointing, and somewhat condascending. You could always answer the points put to you.

 

I have been answering points for the last 2 days. It feels that all I am doing now is repeating stuff I have already said or repeating stuff that is covered in the first 4 Talking Finance pieces. I do not want to be the club spokesman. I do not want to be the person that frustrated fan turn on, a focus for all of their complaints and frustrations. I have spent literally days researching and compiling Talking Finance, and there is still at least one more. I am beginning to understand why the club has not replied to fans. It does not resolve any issues. It simply encourages more comment and complaint. At the end of the day, you either accept my logic, or you don't. It is as simple as that.

 

I aint got 2 ha`pennies to scratch mi arris wi.

 

You've put forward views that aren't actually that logical, in that they are bound by self limiting constraints that don't have to be applied.

I have no complaint. I just disagree with you, as others do. And as much as you say you've answered questions, if you were to look back and objectively summarise your replies, you might find you actually didn't.

But if you want to make it so black and white and binary. I don't accept your logic. Its fundamentally flawed.

 

Fair enough.

 

Al bet a parnd to a penny.

 

Unless they bought it from retained profit.

 

My personal view is that January will tell us everything about where the club is going in the short / medium term.

John Maynard Keynes said "In the long run we are all dead".

 

They'll probably sign some new players, but they won't tell us who they are, where they've been signed from, or how much they cost. In fact, all information about the new players will be "undisclosed". During matches, they will wear upturned brown paper bags on their heads, with two holes cut in them.

 

This threads imo seems to read like a bit of a personal witch hunt for someone who's genuinely trying to put things in layman's terms..... Shoot me down for commenting but folk really need to get a grip.

 

I've supported the OP for his points, many of which are valid. There is much speculation & ambiguity in a lot of it. If you post stuff like this you are going to get this. I don't get the insults or argumentative behaviour on both sides to some extent. The reality is football is an entertainment industry. If you don't have a product, you don't have an audience. You may be Stormzy, or Radiohead, if you are good you will have a product to sell. At the moment I have to question where we are positioning ourselves. Miles & miles of statistics are great to a degree, but people pay to be entertained.

 

Some interesting stuff as ever RR. I’ve tended to steer clear recently of debating the club strategy and the season so far, current players and what have you. My views weren’t those of the majority and it felt futile trying to engage.

You made one cracking point which I think will eventually look even more pertinent in the fullness of time. There are plenty making judgments on long term plans and strategies in the short term. It’s like planting a tree and complaining it’s not fully grown yet.

Also, whilst clearly a little bit of a snipe towards the end about “wait til we start winning”, it’s very true. This strategy was in play last season. Same ownership. Not quite the same mood though on this bulletin board. Winning is great.

 

Tbf there were some disagreeing with it last season ( not me at that time)

 

From the sidelines, this thread has ressembled the Brexit arguments. On one side we have folk who cant see any way to run the club other than the current strategy. On the other we have folk who are certain that things could be done differently/better without bankrupting the club. Neither side wants to change their stance.

The problem is that it's all opinions and assumptions. RR has had a stab at putting numbers to it all, some of which have been challenged, although no-one's provided an alternative costed model (apologies if I've missed it). There is a lack of transparency in football that hinders this, I think, such as undisclosed transfer fees. I couldn't really cost anything up if I wanted to, but it feels a bit too easy to say we could sign a few loanees and/or older heads in January - or earlier if free agents - and get out of the relegation zone. If the solution is that easy, and relatively risk-free, then surely the owners will jump at it. They have six million reasons to do so. If they don't, then either the risk is too great or things are even more complicated than we think.

I suppose the counter-argument, before anybody else says it, is Adam Hammill and what happened last time we signed him up. The whole season was transformed.

Overall, I'll just have to wait and see. I agree with @John Peachy. The next window will give us a better idea, assuming we're still in the fight.

 

Ive enjoyed reading this debate...thanks to RR, for raising your observations and in depth research...thank you.
As with any subject matter on this board, it is worth discussing the merits of many points raised.
For me .....i dont trust the board and i dont see the long term plan....why?....because they constantly bend the rules of the plan for their own means and then would have us believe its the only way to go.
Theres no such thing as a perfect club, or the perfect way to run it. RR has gone to great lengths to explain the fundamentals of finances in the championship, however our clubs rules are not geared for this league....its like we have put a load of short sighted accountants in charge , who wish to cash in at the earliest possible opportunity on every player sale and to the devil with the fans for having a say!
That is not business as i understand it, as other posters have stated you cannot be so regid in your ideas and application, it is also not how to run a football club for paying fans (the lifeblood of the club).
Imho they need to be far more flexible in their approach (think 2 x loans to start with) and they need to do some serious kiss and make up exercises with the fanbase.....to try and at least apply SOME empathy.
Long term plan?...40% into it, it could be argued we are no better than before they took over. I was expecting far more from an international board, in the way of sponsorship and the way we conduct ourselves in our transfer dealings (in and out)etc etc.

 

Also agree, waiting to see what Jan brings.