Every party before an election would state they won’t consider a coalition otherwise it’s conceding defeat before the deed. Why would it be worse than the Tories and DUP? Similar social policies on NHS ,Homelessness etc . The differences are comparable other parties pros and cons who form coalitions . If you’d said the DUP and labour then I could have agreed .
Both bad choices.. I'm not sure what the answer is here? One thing that could have avoided this situation is that from day 1, brexit negotiations should have been fully cross party who decide on what our national interest would be and then taken that to the EU speaking with one voice.
It’s certainly a one shot only. If he loses a general election there is a labour leadership election and David milliband wins it if he wants to return to politics at that election. If and when he wins however it’s a different story and he has to pick up this massive Brexit shitty stick..... not a job he really wants
As a likely Labour and Corbyn voter who spoilt his referendum ballot I'd say if it weren't for Brexit, Corbyn would win a GE fairly easily. His problem is a split party and voter base. If he goes for a softer leave now he's got to argue he can get what May couldn't and he has to persuade those Labour leave voters it will be better than a hard Brexit, and he has to convince Remainers that it can work. If he backs Remain he still has to answer to all those Labour Leave voters who voted Labour in the last GE precisely because he said he'd honour a leave vote. Most likely at this moment is a change of Tory leader and an attempt at hard Brexit because if May goes there's only one way the Tory party is going, and that's further to the right.
You are aware the NHS's biggest problem is that it is eating its self.. Needs a complete overhaul from the top downwards.
Yeah we need, from the top, a government that stops under-funding and privatising it by the back door.
I'd love that to happen purely because it would get a second referendum on brexit. I see absolutely no chance of Corbyn running on that ticket though because he knows half his voters chose to leave the EU. See, unfortunately, Barnsley as a prime example.
The NHS is eating itself because of policies forced upon it . Yes it needs an overhaul after years of dithering by new labour and forced austerity by the Tories. But the biggest problem is the outsourcing to carpet baggers such as Branson . The American medical insurers and providers are waiting in the sidelines with knives and forks ready when we leave the EU and ministers are desperate to prove we can get investment after Brexit and sign almost suicidal contracts where it takes a few years of breathing space before the impact reveals itself . There’ll be no treatment at the point of need for everyone then . It’ll be basic for unemployed with adverts from medical insurers in every newspaper ,tv station and billboards in the country . We tolerated homelessness and as the song goes your children will be next
He won’t run on any ticket other than labour policy at time of election . The bargaining comes after when the vote is analysed if no workable majorities are gained. The only scenario imo for a second ref is if labour need a coalition with either Scots Nats or Lib Dem’s .
If this draft exit deal gets voted down, which is must surely be, the only workable thing then is a 2nd referendum. The EU aren't going to shift, the brexiteers aren't, labour aren't (and will vote against anything to try and force a GE... which wont happen either), the SNP aren't. If you look at the riddles of Corybns Brexit conundrum, his stance is even more closely aligned with the EU, which will only entrench the right and wouldn't get through either. Which begs the question, why not put it back to the people who are all 2 years wiser and we've seen glimpses of the impacts of exiting the EU.
Blame the governments but not the actual organisation its self. You could chuck regardless of whichever set of self interested incumbents are in charge every taxed penny at the NHS and itll never be enough. Always wants more. There in lies the problem.
Could be a correct summing up there....just to add the point that Labour's mantra has been a jobs first brexit, currently the big employers are welcoming this deal, so far The CBI, Aston Martin, Airbus, The Chambers of Commerce, The Soc. Of Motor Manufacturers and Traders have all come out in favour. It will be interesting to see whether or not Labour see it that way .
The govt sets the framework to which the organisation works . If it’s not funded properly it will always require more . It should be run on a cross party cross organisational basis instead of having it priorities chopped and changed every election. It’s come a long way since it inception and people like Richard Branson should never be the way forward imo . Basing the NHS on a for profit basis will only end in one way and that’s demise . A new radical and pioneering initiative is needed but not for profit companies to pilfer .
