Can’t get excited about this coming season already tbh....

I do not get my knickers in a twist , its a forum & we discuss , we obviously disagree , I think we will be better with him you obviously do not , have a good day .

 

More like Lord Emsworth.

 

You assume far too much as usual and your knickers seem extremely twisted. I'd like to keep him, though i'm not sure he's suited to high press. But the simple fact we are in the same position as we were with Hourihane, Winnall, Watkins and Scowen in that he has 12 months left. he may have indicated he's not going to sign a new deal, there may be a clause in his contract on relegation of either being allowed to leave, or at a set fee (we've done that a lot in the past!), either way... we have a gamble. On top of that, we may not want him. The new coach may be unimpressed, his physical stats may be nowhere what he expects of a front man.

You might be content to gamble with around a million pounds of money that isn't yours, but the club have a hard choice, especially with FFP in League 1, based on more information than we collectively have.

We either sell and reinvest now. Sell in January when he has less time on his contract and subsequently his value will be even less, or lose him for nothing in summer. The latter two options may well see us with a 50-75% motivated player, who in an ideal world we may well want to score and plunder galore... but footballers today look after themselves, and as we saw with Yiadom, they'll try to a degree, but not to put themselves in harms way.

On top of that, nobody has a clue what the fee may be, or if its going to be concluded. Once you know, then perhaps its a more accurate environment for debate and club introspection.

 

Do you actually go to any games cos I never witnessed Yearden either not trying or not going into tackles so he didn't get injured last season.

 

There were plenty of instances where he was jogging back instead of sprinting and just let runners go. He certainly wasn't at full pelt compared to his first season. He was still one of our better players but his heart wasn't in it as much, that was obvious.

 

We may be in the same position with Bradshaw as we were with Houriane,Winnal , Watkins , Bree & Scowan but none of these were let go with 12 months left on their contract & I at least would think its worth hanging on to Bradshaw until january , if he has done the business then his stock will still be high & I do not assume anything ,unlike yourself who comes across as a self proclaimed expert . You say that I am content to gamble with a million pounds of someone"s money, on the contrary , exactly the opposite , Bradshaw is our player, bought & payed for , a replacement would be the gamble , a replacement of similar quality would cost a lot of money & I do not think the club need to spend or gamble on a replacement , of course we could go down the line of paying a loan fee & wages for someone like Ugbo for an example but even that is not a cheap avenue . I do believe that he will be sold in the next few weeks , which I will find disappointing as I think that Wigan showed the way last year when they hung on to Will Grigg , Sam Morsy & others , kept their better players & had a go at bouncing back . Incidentally , I strongly believe that if we had sold all the players what we sold in january 17 in the previous close season , then we would have gone down that year but by hanging on to them it gave us a platform to do well & I was hoping that was a lesson we might have learnt from , we shall see .

 

There you go assuming again. I'm not a self proclaimed expert on anything. I just have a view and share it, and if others post something I disagree with, I'm not shy in replying. If someone posts something of interest, or something I agree with, i'm not shy in saying so either.

Gambling with money is the opportunity cost. If you choose not to take a bid (and that can be the right choice), if you then lose that player for free and his contributions failed to deliver further value (i.e. promotion), that's a gamble that failed, and you are left with a residual loss on what you could have had otherwise. Sadly, none of us have a crystal ball. Remember when Butterfield got injured and we neither had the benefit of the player, or a transfer fee? That could happen any time couldn't it? Not saying that should be factored into all situations, but it could and sadly does happen in football.

As I've said before, several times, I like Bradshaw. But if his style of play and attirbutes don't fit into what the manager wants, and the right fee (that market forces dictate) comes in that can be utilised to strengthen the squad where it is desperately weak, is that not a wiser choice?

What I do know is that market forces dictate based on aspects of scarcity. If a player has 4 and a half months left of playing time on their contract, they are less valuable than someone with years on it, unless the buyer is absolutely desperate. Yiadom was content winding the contract down and getting a big singing on bonus as no transfer fee was involved.

if you consider the value equation (and this is not condoning selling players, I can merely understand why it might take place), who offered more value in the January to June cycle? We had playing time from Watkins and Scowen til the end of the season, and we lost pretty much all of them. Yet no residual value in June. We didn't get playing time from Hourihane, Bree and Winnall, who Patrick openly stated were all unwilling to sign new contracts, but we did get circa £7-8m (though the fees aren't confirmed). Sadly we recruited pretty poorly and didn't take advantage of that transfer kitty.

And as for Grigg, Morsy etc, they were on huge contracts that others weren't willing to match. If Bradshaw was on £20k a week, I'm pretty sure that he would stay, purely because nobody could afford him based on his place in the football pyramid.

But anyway, we'll see what happens. If Bradshaw is utilised and fires us to promotion and papers over the cracks of a non existent midfield, brilliant. If he doesn't and we lose him for free, I've no doubt the club will be criticised. If he is sold for the best fee the club can get, we see what evolves from it. There are better players than Bradshaw, we might even have our eye on one. But as I said before, neither me (non expert, just a person with a view), or you, know anything of fact. Just assumptions, and perceptions.

 

I agree with a lot of what you say & I think he will be sold very soon { think , not assume } & I am classed as one of the glass half full happy clapper gang but I do think we should have learnt from january 17 & selling for sellings sake may not be the most profitable way long term & I would like the club to send a message to the fans that we mean business by holding on to our better players & give it a go