Another Interesting Court Case (Brexit)...

As someone above said, our constitution is to be found in various sources, including authorities on the constitution. The epitome of this was AV Dicey, a law professor at Oxford. He decsribed the rule of law and the sovereignty of Parliament as the 'two pillars of the constitution'. The government's position on Article 50 and the response of some of it's members to the High Court decision appears to threaten both!

There have always been calls to codify our constution and to give us a written version. I've come to the conclusion that the main reason governments have shied away from this over the years is that it would call upon them to clarify the position of the monarch, and would therefore preclude all those cosy chats with the PM and the Prince Charles-type interference.

 

Thanks for the clarification on the laws

I think if the government were in any way convinced by the strengths of their legal arguments they would be harder on the press after last week. My personal opinion is that allowing the criticism and the reactions of the right is playing into their hands to try to force the issue. If they had a strong case they wouldn't need the Daily Mail to provoke the masses so they can try to force it through.

 

It has often been said that "The law is an ass" Never sure as to whether that refers to the fact that it can be stubborn and is often 'milked' by the legal profession or whether it is a useful beast of burden. I appreciatethat the rule of law is the best we have but sometimes (often in fact) it appears to be abused generating vast amount of revenue for the legal profession and various 'Chambers' . Spurious claims (one import from America we could do without) and appeal after appeal, on many occasions often leave the plaintiff with little to show, whilst the lawyers get rich. It often contradicts natural justice as well by becoming bogged down in technicalities. Still I am on the side of the learned judges on this Sovereignty ruling and totally against the disgraceful banner headlines. Nicola Sturgeon on the other hand .....................!!!

 

It's a quote from another person who had no sound legal reason to question it, but didn't like the outcome it produced! (Mr Bumble in Oliver Twist) The point about it is that the law can be changed, but there has to be respect for the law as it is - otherwise we have chaos. That's the point some of the politicians seem to be having trouble with. As lawmakers themselves, you'd have thought that they above all people would have recognised the importance of respect for the rule of law. And as MP's...... etc, etc!

 

All those people who voted in the Nazi party for 'genuine reasons' probably had good arguments too, andthey chose to go with the fascists too.

Say what you will, you were on the same side as the BNP.

 

Not surprised, Nigel Farage was elected and paid to keep him in his place, but he couldn't be arsed to do his job.

 

Only a very few people could possibly make a link between the Nazi party in pre-war Germany with the Brexit vote. I've heard some morally superior crap from some remoaners but this is arguably, no definitely, the most ridiculous thing yet.

 

bang right here Mario,this rosco chap talks like a complete berk,his ramblins are akin to saying that all remainers are out of the same knackersack as terresa may and the majority of her capitalist bum chums.

huge swaithes of the working class,especially the more mature of them feel like they have been hammered for the last 35 years,they feel completely let down by the self same political elite that were plying the pro europe stance,why on earth would they decide to make a stand with them.Pathetic jibes about nazi germany only added to their resentment and rest assured if the labour party blew the same hot air old rosco is blowing,then they can deffo kiss goodbye to any future government aspirations.Making stupid comparisons will NOT get the working class back on side.

 

And Mick Cash of the RMT......and Dennis Skinner.

 

Ignore the rise of the racists and the far right and history will repeat itself.

 

I'd say the same thing to them too.

 

Are you simply ignoring the fact that a major element in the Brexit win was Labour heartlands; traditional working class, left wing, Labour voters. There was cross-party support for Brexit and many different reasons why people voted to leave the EU. Free movement of people was one of them and in the real world it does not make somebody a racist to have concerns about immigration and to want to do something to control it.

 

The was traditional working class left wing support for the Nazis too.

If you ignore history it will repeat itself.

 

I would never try and second guess what Dennis Skinner's reply to you would be , but from my point of view , the issues are far too great to let your decision be swayed by the opinion of a tiny group of electorally inconsequential brain dead idiots . These people represent virtually no one in this country ,
and never have done , even in the 1930's when the working classes of Britain were on the point of starvation and the new force of Fascism had not been truly exposed for what it was , only a small number were ever swayed by that message . I have recently been doing some research into Fascism and the North of England . Mosley and his Blackshirts held a rally in Doncaster at the height of their 'success' .....only 40 people turned up , there was a slight disturbance , and the newspaper reports of the time suggested the bulk of his supporters had come from other areas .
Fascism and the true hard right have never troubled the ballot box to any significant extent , and in my view never will , the British people are far better than that .
The values of the BNP are not mine , their reasons for wanting out are not mine , and my vote will never ever be swayed by their opinion or views ....to do that gives them an importance that is not justified by the facts .

 

" tiny group of electorally inconsequential brain dead idiots" bit harsh on poor old Dennis and Mick!

 

"'I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you…

It doesn’t walk in saying, “Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution.”'"

Sound familiar. Sure you were duped, but many others knew what they were voting for.

 

Rosen has written a wonderful piece , looking retrospectively at Nazi Germany , there even may be an argument for it being currently relevant in the rise of Isis . History though has proved conclusively it was irrelevant to 1930s Britain and it is irrelevant to modern Britain .

 

Rosen is just another selfrighteous pillock that trys to draw comparisons with nazi germany and anyone daring to have a different view to himself.A bit like those the fcukin quote him n'all.

 

Look, just because you don't like it does not make those associations the same.

The rise of the right is being aided and abetted by possibly well meaning but gullible people.

 

the rise of the right has more to do with the political status quo completely ignoring and indeed riding roughshot over the electorate as it is to do with 'gullible' voters