Our best post-war eleven (It's not who you think)

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    gooderzone Well-Known Member

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    #1 gooderzone, Oct 13, 2016
    I've done this before but never gone this far back before. This is post-war now, not just back to Wilson's first spell in charge.

    Here's our most successful team win percentage wise for games they started in the league.

    GK Bialowski

    DF Rory Delap
    DF Kevin Long

    MF Ronnie Wallwork
    MF Andy Kiwomya
    MF Paul Kane
    MF John O'Sullivan
    MF Josh Brownhill

    FW Mark Jackson
    FW George Maris
    FW Ashley Fletcher

    Some only ever started one game (Maris, Jackson, Kiwomya) but the likes of Brownhill, Fletcher and Long hit double figures for starts and still managed win percentages of 71-73%

    It's just for fun. I'm not trying to say this team would tear up the Championship (It most certainly wouldn't)

    Subs bench (The next 7 best winning/start percentages in the league)

    DF Callum Connolly
    DF Terry Craven
    FW Ian Moores
    GK George Rymer
    FW Nile Ranger
    DF James Bree
    DF George Williams
     
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    #2 Jimmy viz, Oct 13, 2016
    When did Mark Jackson play?
     
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    #3 tosh, Oct 13, 2016
    I never knew that Terry Craven ever made the first team. I'll have to ask him when I see him next.
     
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    #4 gooderzone, Oct 13, 2016
    January 15th 2000. Beat Palace away 2-0
     
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    #5 gooderzone, Oct 13, 2016
    Three consecutive games in 1965. Wins over Luton & Scunny. Defeat to Walsall.
     
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    #6 DusThaNoIII, Oct 13, 2016
    Nile fackin ranger
     
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    #7 Burgundy Red, Oct 13, 2016
    Can you easily refine the selection to only those players who made, say, 20 first team appearances or more, i.e. at least half a season?
     
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    #8 arabian_ian, Oct 13, 2016
    Any relation to Kipper?
     
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    #9 gooderzone, Oct 13, 2016
    Yes. Would you like to know the same information for players with 20 starts or more?
     
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    #10 Tyketical Masterstroke, Oct 13, 2016
    I agree it makes sense to apply a qualification criteria of 20 first team starts.
     
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    #11 gooderzone, Oct 13, 2016
    In that case we would go with an 18 man squad consisting of:

    MF Josh Brownhill Won 71% of 24 league games started scoring 3 goals with a clean sheet ratio of 56%
    DF James Bree Won 65% of 26 league games started with a clean sheet ratio of 35%
    DF George Williams Won 65% of 20 league games started scoring 1 goal with a clean sheet ratio of 54%
    DF Aidy White Won 64% of 22 league games started with a clean sheet ratio of 39%
    MF Lloyd Isgrove Won 60% of 30 league games started scoring 1 goal.
    MF Marley Watkins Won 56% of 39 league games started scoring 6 goals.
    DF Neil Thompson Won 56% of 27 league games started scoring 5 goals with a clean sheet ratio of 37%
    DF Harry May Won 52% of 105 league games started with a clean sheet ratio of 30%
    FW Colin Walker Won 52% of 21 league games started scoring 12 goals.
    DF Alfie Mawson Won 52% of 52 league games started scoring 8 goals with a clean sheet ratio of 35%
    MF Bobby Downes Won 51% of 43 league games started scoring 1 goal with a clean sheet ratio of 40%
    MF Graham Collier Won 50% of 22 league games started scoring 2 goals with a clean sheet ratio of 45%
    GK Adam Davies Won 50% of 74 league games started with a clean sheet ratio of 37%
    MF Peter Whyke Won 50% of 26 league games started scoring 1 goal.
    MF Neil Warnock Won 49% of 53 league games started scoring 10 goals.
    FW Allan Clarke Won 49% of 47 league games started scoring 15 goals.
    FW Derek Bell Won 49% of 45 league games started scoring 20 goals.
    MF Clint Marcelle Won 49% of 37 league games started scoring 8 goals.

    Notable stats included.
     
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    #12 BBBFC, Oct 13, 2016
    That's excellent. Some interesting names. Cheers for the 20 game thing, could you work it into something like a playable formation or would that bugger it up?
     
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    #13 gooderzone, Oct 13, 2016
    Choosing a formation from the squad you would have to include Adam Davies as he's the only goalkeeper although he isn't in the top eleven for win %

    So with that being the case if it was me I'd go with this:

    GK: Adam Davies

    RWB: James Bree

    CD: Alfie Mawson

    LD: Aidy White

    RD: George Williams

    LWB: Neil Thompson

    RW: Lloyd Isgrove

    CM: Clint Marcelle

    CM: Josh Brownhill

    LW: Marley Watkins

    CF: Derek Bell

    I've favoured players I've actually seen play. Then gone with Derek Bell for the goals ratio.
     
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    #14 GreenyTyke, Oct 13, 2016
    Davies has kept roughly 27 Clean sheets in 74 league games started then, pretty good if you ask me
     
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    #15 springvale red, Oct 13, 2016
    Played 3 games
     
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    #16 Merde Tete, Oct 14, 2016
    That's pretty interesting. Would it be too complicated to weight the statistics, so that wins in the Premier League are worth more than the 3rd tier? Then we might see an even more interesting picture emerging (like Peter Marksted turns out to be our best ever centre half?!)
     
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    #17 gooderzone, Oct 14, 2016
    You could weight em however you want couldn't you to get whatever result you want near enough. I suppose I could work on a system giving points for clean sheets and wins according to the league they were in. I've got to do something instead of actual work at work!
     
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    #18 Brush, Oct 14, 2016
    Statistically

    That team is carp.

    Football is a team game so you can't rate individual players on team results. At best it only vaguely implies the contributions of a player.

    Besides which, in statistical terms a sample size of a handful games is insignificant, it has to be a good half-season to be even considered. Ash Fletcher and Josh Brownhill might just squeeze in.
     
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    #19 gooderzone, Oct 14, 2016
    Re: Statistically

    I don't think you're taking it in the way it was intended.
     
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    #20 Brush, Oct 14, 2016
    Re: Statistically

    Dunno, but from your reply, I'm guessing you were illustrating how useless statistics are and I simply reinforced it.
     
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