England U17's 8 - 1 Germany U17's

And they say we cant produce the talent nations like Germany can because we dont have the set up. ********.


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I suppose 1 under 17s game is a sufficient sample size to make your case. World Cup 2022 here we come.

 

Rory Fallon was a world beater at that level so yes it's a great barometer of world class talent.

 

You have slated angus Mcdonald on another thread ( angus Mcdonald is capped at under 16s this level and England C team) but you see this as some barometer for world class talent..... make your mind up

 

We produce as much talent as any nation, our problem is one of the transition from great youth players to fully fledged world class professionals.

 

Part of the problem is that the youth ranks are packed with kids who are selected to win youth games, rather than kids who are selected to be developed for senior football. This means that the youth teams are packed with kids who are a lot bigger/faster/stronger than other kids their age and they win games on the basis of this physical superiority. The problem is that when the technically gifted kids catch up with them physically, they are much better at actually playing football.

Alex Kiwomya is an example - he's like lightning but he's not got much else, yet he's capped at all levels up to U19. I doubt he'll get anywhere near the Premiership, let alone the national team.

 

What the ****ing hell does England C team have to do with anything Ive posted?


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Saw a lot of this when I was younger, would hope its started to be knocked on the head since the world became so obsessed with following Spains suit.


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Absolutely spot on. And Brazil is an example of a country who tried to develop athletes ahead of natural talent for a few years. Youth teams packed with the biggest and strongest of their age. Skill and talent will always win hands down when it comes to full international.

Don't imagine Germany will be too bothered about an U17 match.

 

There's no doubting that we can produce the talent. The problem is that teams like Chelsea, where these kids will be on the books, have a squad of 80 players.

The vast majority will never get anywhere near the first 11 in a Premier League side. These so called top sides aren't particularly good at developing a good young player. I'd say that Man Utd is possibly the only slight exception.

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Exactly why the loan system should be banished.

However, we still produce enough top level players to be competing at the highest table.


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There's more to it than that. The premier league is too far gone in terms of money and overseas players.

For these young players to play at the top level, they've either to go abroad, a limit needs to be put on overseas players, or they've to try and make it the hard way, eg drop down into the lower leagues and try and get spotted. Seemingly easier said than done.

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If they were good enough they WOULD be playing at the top level.

 

I'm not sure that is entirely true in every situation though. I do agree in principle. But to show they're good enough, they've to play games, and I mean premier league games, not u21's. Some will never be given the chance as Chelsea will just spend £50m on some superstar international player instead of giving their own a chance.

Marcus Rashford only got his chance at Man U though luck really. He was below Ashley Fletcher in the pecking order at the start of the season and was given the opportunity due to injuries and others out on loan. Granted he took his opportunity when he got it, but I'm not certain that he'd be in the England squad now had Man Utd not been forced to play him last season.

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That's why I think Donny tyke is right, the loan system should be abolished which would force young players to make a decision. Short term money sat in the reserves or a career and playing football.

Here's a couple of scenarios. If all foreign players were banned from the premiership then it would be filled with the best English players which is what many people want. Let's just pretend for a second that we rename that league to the supertyke league. Everything else remains the same but the name changes.

Now let's go to scenario two. Loans are banned and upcoming players sign instead for championship clubs rather than sitting in the reserves of premiership clubs while foreign lads are in the first team. Now we have a league full of foreign stars and one below it (the championship) full of the best English players. Let's now imagine that we rename the championship to the supertyke league.

Two different scenarios but both end with one league full of the countries finest.

Obviously in reality you would have some of the best in each league but that is exactly what we have now except at the moment a lot of the best youngsters rot in the reserves because they choose greed over football. The only way to eliminate that is to remove loans

 

****ing hell... really?

Anyway, the loan system should be abolished as then the young English lads would be far less attracted to the likes of Chelsea who just stockpile the cream of the crop and ruin their careers. It would also make it a far more even market for the smaller clubs in that, as with us, they could attract the better youngsters by offering them a better chance at first team football.

I do also believe that regardless of which players are playing in this country, if the talent is good enough, they'll break through. It's of no benefit to us having 200 english lads playing in a second rate PL having got rid of all the foreign stars. Id much rather we had 50 english lads playing the world stars week in/week out because they deserve to be at that level.


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